Looking for Recommendations on 8.5" x 11" Printers for Digital Negatives in Salt Printing

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I recently started salt printing and have been using an Epson home printer with dye-based ink, but I’ve been having issues with frequent nozzle clogs. I’m considering upgrading to a new printer, ideally one that isn’t too expensive. Since an A3 printer would be too large for my small apartment in Tokyo, I’m specifically looking for a compact pigment ink printer that can handle 8.5" x 11" prints for creating digital negatives. However, I haven’t had much luck finding a model that fits these needs.
If anyone has any suggestions, I’d really appreciate it!
 

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My understanding is that the Epson 542 inks are all pigments (see: https://epson.com/For-Home/Ink/EcoTank-542-Ink-Bottles/i/T542220-S). There seem to be a number of printers that use this series of inks, many (most?, all?) of which are multi-function devices so I am not sure if they will meet your definition of 'compact'.

I use a P800 in my home studio but have had thoughts about getting a letter size printer for hauling around to workshops. I haven't acted on these thoughts I so can't recommend a specific model as I have used none of them yet.
 
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Thank you for your comments!
I’ll consider printers that use these inks as well.
Are there people who use a letter-size home printer (with multiple functions) to create digital negatives?
I think I would be satisfied with prints of reasonably good quality.
 

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@D_Quinn

Alas, I don't know anyone using a small printer for digital negatives.

Everyone, I know of uses printers in the Epson SureColor P series or their predecessors, all of which are 13" wide or larger. These printer seem to be the 'standard' for digital negatives.
 

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An Epson Stylus 2200 will. This is an old printer, 20 years or more, but well regarded in its day and which you can buy now for dirt cheap if you can find a good one used. Image #20 (Hovenweep Castle) https://www.spiritsofsilver.com/galleries/page_5 was made from a 6x7 transparency scan from a equally old Epson 3200.

 

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Epson Stylus 2200

To be sure - this is the Epson Stylus Photo 2200. Not to be confused with the modern XP-2200, nor the large format SureColor F2200 DTF printer. Epson seems to have a bad habit of re-using product numbers for totally incomparable products...

I imagine it should work OK if one can be found in working order. Specifically, I'd suggest using the matte black, light black and yellow channels for digital negatives.


 
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Thanks everyone for the response!

I found some used options, but they were still quite expensive at around $200, so I’m planning to wait a little and see if better options come up.

Today, I visited the Epson Showroom in Tokyo and discussed my intended usage with a representative there. Based on my needs, they recommended the SC-P700 model (which has a different name here in Japan).

I’d like to ask everyone here: has the issue of clogged ink heads improved compared to 20 years ago? (I owned a similar printer 20 years ago, but frequent clogging was a major issue, and I haven’t owned a “professional-grade” printer since.)

The representative said that complaints about clogging are rare with recent inkjet printers, but I’m curious about the real situation. With this printer using 10 ink colors, I can imagine head cleanings might consume ink at a rapid rate. Is this something I should be worried about?

Since I won’t be using the printer every day, I want to avoid the “nightmare” of consuming large amounts of ink for head cleanings due to clogging.

Thanks in advance!
 

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I think that the P700 is a good choice.

My take is that the clogging issue has been largely solved but that environmental factors (specifically dry climates and low humidity indoor spaces, think over air conditioned) can sometimes cause problems.

Folks that worry about clogs usually find that small test print or even just a nozzle check once every week or two is cheap insurance.

I live in northern New England which is not a dry climate. Humidity is moderate in Spring, Fall and much of the summer (short periods of hot, humid weather). In winter the humidity tends to be lower but not "desert-like". We do heat the house in winter solely with wood, which will lower the indoor humidity more than most heating methods.

My personal experience with both a 3880 and a P800 (and more than a decade of experience) is that clogs are a non issue. I just use my printer. No preemptive test prints/nozzle check on a regular basis.

On very rare occasion (after a printer has sat unused for several weeks) a printer with OEM inks will have a clog that is easily cleared with a normal cleaning (i.e. not a really ink intensive power cleaning). My Piezography Pro modified 3880 is a tiny bit more susceptible to clogs and those sometimes require a power clean.
 

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I’d like to ask everyone here: has the issue of clogged ink heads improved compared to 20 years ago?

I don't know, since my printer is essentially one from that era...it's the Epson Stylus Photo 3880 model that @fgorge also mentions. I've had some clogging issues from time to time with it, mostly when it had sat unused for a few months. As long as it gets used every week or every other week, I have barely to no clogging issues. I do make a habit out of printing a quick manual nozzle check (which takes only a few seconds, a few inches of paper and almost no ink at all) to verify all nozzles fire before starting a printing session. If there are any clogged nozzles, I run a cleaning cycle, which virtually always solves the problem.

I've had to revive the printer two or three times after some many-month hiatuses that I alluded to above. Ultimately I had to replace the capping station and especially clean out the suction pump that is used for the power cleaning cycle. Turns out that the latter was the main cause of the most recent bout of severe clogging issues: essentially, the cleaning cycle just didn't work anymore. Since I've fixed that, it's been working like new again.

I'm actually amazed at how long this printer has held out and the abuse it has stood up to. I've run non-standard media through it included gelatin-coated fine art papers, it has gone through thousands of head strike incidents due to compromised/wonky/weird media, it has literally gone through several liters of 3rd party ink, it has printed with ink that had expired by 10+ years, etc. etc. And still, it produces just fine prints.

One thing though: if you intend to use your printer also for color photos, I'd really consider getting one of the more modern types with orange + green channels as well. The color gamut of these old CMYK printers (or CCMMYKKK in the case of the 3880) is somewhat limited.
 
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Thank you very much for the very clear explanation! Compared to 20 years ago, it may have improved somewhat, but it seems that clogging issues will still occur if it’s not used regularly. Considering my usage frequency and the available space on my workbench, I’ll take some time to think it over. Also, thanks, koraks, for the additional suggestion about modern printers with orange and green inks. I saw some sample prints at the Epson showroom yesterday, and the colors already look truly superb with their current models.
 

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Use the printer once each week to print out your calendar for that week - with enough room to make handwritten additions.
 
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