The depth of field issue with m43 keeps cropping up in a lot of videos I've been watching. I know the crop factor of two which is applied to focal length also needs to be applied to aperture size. So basically a full frame lens with a f2 aperture would result in an f4 aperture on a m43 camera. Do m43 cameras not have fast lenses? I would think one could still purchase large aperture lenses fo rm43 if they really needed profound bokeh. Maybe I'm missing something here?will tend to get deeper depth of field as a result....
I can also use the sensor-shift feature in my Pen-F which yields 80 mp raw files.
As a practical matter, has anyone actually used this feature other than for a test shot to see if it works?The sensor shift feature- is that the same thing that Pentax calls pixel shift? It takes four photos moving the sensor one pixel over or down so RGB and luminance gets photographed and combined per pixel?
in your case, I think you don't need to spend much more than $100 on a decent digital P&S from either Nikon or Canon or any of the other name-brand products. Their zoom range weight and image quality will fit your needs perfectly and you are not out a lot of $$$.I spend $100 on a Nikon Coolpix and it's all I carry on trips it's 16Mpx quality has surprised me often. if you email at rwlambrec@gmail.com, I'll send you a comparison between it and a Nikon D800 on the same subject.So I'm thinking about buying my first good quality digital camera for my own use. I've been shooting film for 7 years now and before that I either used my phone or a little canon elph point and shoot that my wife and I shared. I've never had a decent DSLR or mirrorless camera. I don't know a lot about all the different tech (although I've been trying to educate myself through youtube). I also have a budget of about $1,200 cdn for the body only. I'm hoping I could get some opinions from the community at large on what's good. I do have a camera in mind though but not sure if my reasoning is sound. Hoping people wouldn't mind sharing their opinions.
So how I use my camera is:
Stills photo only. I have no need for video in any capacity.
I mostly shoot nature and travel photos. My camera comes out with me on long hikes. Smaller and lightweight is a benefit for me. I'm hoping to avoid large bodies and large lenses.
My favorite lens that I own is a 100mm macro lens. It's close focusing distance is only a few inches but also works well for images at infinity. I use it 60% of the time. Usually the widest I shoot is 55mm unless I'm away travelling where I'd use a 35mm focal length.
I usually only go out during the day with my camera. While I take a few photos in the house at night, it's less often (usually birthdays, Christmas morning).
I only rarely use flash. Mostly because of how I shoot along with my lack of knowledge currently on how to properly use a flash.
I need to be able to buy an adapter so I have the option to use some of my Voigtlander M mount lenses on occasion, but I plan on buying a native lens or two.
This time around I'm hoping to stay away from prime lenses. I'd prefer to use lenses that allow me to zoom from a wider focal length to one more telephoto. Hopefully one that could cover from 35mm to maybe as much as 135mm ish.
The largest I've ever printed anything is 8" x 12". I can't see me wanting to print larger.
Given my cost and size restrictions I've been looking into the micro 4/3 systems. I've seen lots of videos saying this sensor size is dead now. That it has poorer low light capabilities and tops out at 16mp. Given my usage pattern above I would think that these restrictions won't really come into play for me. Their unpopularity results in a good camera at an excellent price.
I've been debating buying an Olympus OM-D E-M5 which fits the budget. It's small and lightweight. 16mp will produce a decent 8x10/12. It also sells a lens that covers 14-150mm which for it's focal range is physically quite small. ( I think that means the full frame equivalent is 28-300). What are people's opinions on my choice? Am I missing a camera that's better that will fit my needs? Where I'm quite inexperienced with digital cameras and the technology I'm sure there may be better options out there that I've simply missed. I appreciate everyone's feedback and hope to use your opinions to help make my selection. Thanks for your input.
I probably made it sound like a bigger deal than it actually is, but yes you can certainly purchase fast M43 glass if you need super-shallow DOF.I would think one could still purchase large aperture lenses fo rm43 if they really needed profound bokeh. Maybe I'm missing something here?
I own Sony APS-C and FF cameras too. IMO, the A6000 and A7 Mk I are some of the biggest bargains out there. But whether you'd be happier with one of those versus the EM5 is something only you can decide. I wouldn't be overly concerned with what the gear bloggers think - as a class, they tend to be fickle, writing a thoughtful essay on why their current brand is most sensible for them, then switching to another brand a week later.So it doesn't seem like m43 is getting a lot of love. I'm hearing that I should look into Sony's cameras.
I've never given a P&S any real thought before this moment. I've gotten used to manual film SLR's, pinhole cameras and rangefinders. I'll send off an email in a moment- I'd love to see the comparison.in your case, I think you don't need to spend much more than $100 on a decent digital P&S from either Nikon or Canon or any of the other name-brand products. Their zoom range weight and image quality will fit your needs perfectly and you are not out a lot of $$$.I spend $100 on a Nikon Coolpix and it's all I carry on trips it's 16Mpx quality has surprised me often. if you email at rwlambrec@gmail.com, I'll send you a comparison between it and a Nikon D800 on the same subject.
I've noticed that as well. I prefer to hear the reviews from people who obviously don't make their living off of youtube likes/subscribes. They seem to be closer to a voice of reason- which is why I started giving m43's some thought.I wouldn't be overly concerned with what the gear bloggers think - as a class, they tend to be fickle, writing a thoughtful essay on why their current brand is most sensible for them, then switching to another brand a week later.
I was looking at the em-5 specifically because I had heard the menus were difficult to navigate on the em-10 and getting to the iso was supposedly a real chore. That being said, do you really find it that much of an inconvenience? I just re-read henry's and Olympus's websites and it turns out they are selling the om-5 with the 14-150mm lens for $1200 combined! I thought that was the price for the camera only and I was willing to spend 1200 on the body only. I'm much happier to pay less though. I'm not sure I really need anything beyond about 80mm on the m4/3 system so maybe I'll see if there are deals on any other lenses/body combos.Last year my wife bought a micro 4/3 for our use - an Olympus OM-D EM-10 Mk II, with the standard 14-42mm kit lens.
It was the previous year's model and it cost us about $550.00 CDN plus tax - really well priced.
It is extremely capable. I have very satisfactory 12"x16" colour prints from it - jpeg straight out of the camera, canvas size adjusted to print straight on to bordered 12"x18" prints on RA-4 paper at Costco - $5.99 CDN plus tax.
The 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro lens is apparently spectacular, but would take you above your price target.
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I'll research the point and shoot's next! You aren't the first person on this thread to suggest one based on my needs. One of the reasons I was looking at the Olympus om series is they have a couple of lenses which cover a wide range of focal length. The 14-150 would likely be the only lens I'd buy- but it does make this little camera quite a bit larger.For decades I used film cameras. Now I am a great believer in "point and shoot" compact zoom digital cameras. I like not having to change lenses, and I like having a small pocketable camera. There are some compact zoom cameras out there with very good fast lenses and very good image quality that don't cost a lot of money, well within your budget. I am familiar with the Canon models and two come to mind, if you wish to have a viewfinder the G1X mk3 is a possibility, if you are happy working off the LCD screen (which I am) then the G7X mk2 is a possibility, both are current models in the US$500 - $1000 range complete with battery charger and battery (budget for a second battery and never leave home without it!).
I find two review sites helpful www.dpreview.com (these folk sometimes seem to show a pro-SONY anti-Canon bias) and www.imaging-resource.com, when studying choices I am a frequent visitor to both sites.
Longer DOF certainly can be an advantage. I'm not of the camp where bokeh is the only reason to have a camera. That being said, there are times that I do like to blur the background. Mostly for portraits but I don't shoot portraits very often.While I don't use the M4/3 but I think the DOF or the M4/3 is an advantage rather than drawback.
The ISO is best accessed through the touch screen - at least in my Mark II version. As I understand it, the menus have been re-configured and are a bit simpler on the current Mark III version.I was looking at the em-5 specifically because I had heard the menus were difficult to navigate on the em-10 and getting to the iso was supposedly a real chore. That being said, do you really find it that much of an inconvenience? I just re-read henry's and Olympus's websites and it turns out they are selling the om-5 with the 14-150mm lens for $1200 combined! I thought that was the price for the camera only and I was willing to spend 1200 on the body only. I'm much happier to pay less though. I'm not sure I really need anything beyond about 80mm on the m4/3 system so maybe I'll see if there are deals on any other lenses/body combos.
I am understanding this correctly though, aren't I? The 14-150mm lens they sell for this camera is really a 28-300mm lens because of the crop factor of the m4/3 system, correct? Or are they stating the 14-150 is the actual focal length for this particular camera (as I don't think this lens would mount on a full frame system)?
. . . Given my cost and size restrictions I've been looking into the micro 4/3 systems. I've seen lots of videos saying this sensor size is dead now. That it has poorer low light capabilities and tops out at 16mp. Given my usage pattern above I would think that these restrictions won't really come into play for me. Their unpopularity results in a good camera at an excellent price. . . .
Used Nikon D3 in excellent condition can be had for under 900 usd . Thing of beauty. I found one a couple years ago for under 800, fabulous camera. I now have a D5 but I can't let go of the D3. Truly a groundbreaking camera. No video junk, drives like every Nikon pro camera made since 1959. Find one with less than 50-60,000 clicks on the shutter. Mine only had 8,000. Aftermarket battery packs are cheap now and they work fine. Built like a tank. 12 MP is plenty. MHOStills photo only. I have no need for video in any capacity.
I've heard that argument and it is hard to deny for certain. You definitely have a point. I'm hoping to not be one of those people that upgrades every few years though. Ideally I'd like to buy one wide range lens (like the 14-150) and a macro and that should cover me until the camera stops working. That being said, I've certainly been a slave to gear acquisition syndrome in the past so maybe I'm just being naïve.If you want small then it is hard to beat the Sonys. Get a full frame sensor if you are most concerned about quality. Image area is the number one factor for quality. Just plain physics. If you are really concerned about size then the APS-C sensors hit the sweet spot since you can use smaller lenses. They cost less too. It is really as simple as that.
Micro 4/3rds cameras don't really have a future. Think hard about buying one since the lenses will be abandoned. Any money you spend on lenses will be wasted when you go to buy another camera in a few years.
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