Looking for C41 film ASA 3200

maxim · Mar 20, 2007

Ok
I have been using XP2 and really love it
Now I am thinking to myself, wouldnt it be nice to try
something even faster than ASA400 of the XP2.........

Is there such a product ? C41 BnW at ASA 3200 ?

else , recommend a traditional BnW at ASA 3200.
I do mainly people photography

thanks

Ian Grant · Mar 20, 2007

Have you considered push processing XP2 in C41 chemistry. I used XP1 and later XP2 for a number of years uprated to 1600 or 3200 to shoot rock concerts. Grain and tonality were excellent and far superior to uprating conventional film.

Of course you could try Neopan 1600 or Ilfords Delta 3200, both shoot suit your requirements.

Ian

Alex Bishop-Thorpe · Mar 20, 2007

XP2 is a wonderful film like that, it sort of drags you into traditional photography, but the two C41 black and white films are 400ISO only.

EDIT: Actually Ian's right, if you can get a lab worker who's willing to work with you (I had my XP2 rolls turned away at colour labs before.), XP2's meant to be very flexible. Give it a shot.

Ilford Delta 3200 performed better than I expected when I tried it recently, example attached. Shot at EI6400, developed in Xtol.
HP5 is also meant to be pushable to 3200 pretty agreeably.

Roger Hicks · Mar 20, 2007

Dear Maxim,

There is no ISO 3200 B+W film, traditional or chromogenic.

All chromogenics are a nominal 400, though as there is no ISO standard for chromogenic mono, this is by analogy. Most trests of which I am aware (including Ilford's and my own) indicate that XP2 Super is about 1/3 stop faster than the Kodak equivalent. It is also sharper, but the Kodak film is finer grained: a common trade-off.

The fastest conventional film is Ilford Delta 3200 which, because of its long toe, works very well at EI 3200. Its true ISO in DD-X or Microphen is about 1200. Kodak TMZ is about 1/3 stop slower (and for my money, much inferior tonally) and Fuji Neopan 1600 is at least 1/3 stop slower again. Unsurprisingly, Neopan is the finest grained and Delta 3200 the grainiest.

You might care to take a look at the free ISO speeds module in the Photo School at www.rogerandfrances.com.

Cheers,

R

reub2000 · Mar 20, 2007

Ian Grant said:
Have you considered push processing XP2 in C41 chemistry. I used XP1 and later XP2 for a number of years uprated to 1600 or 3200 to shoot rock concerts. Grain and tonality were excellent and far superior to uprating conventional film.

Of course you could try Neopan 1600 or Ilfords Delta 3200, both shoot suit your requirements.

Ian

Why process XP-2 at home at 38C, when you can just process films like Delta 3200 at 20C?

Ian Grant · Mar 20, 2007

reub2000 said:
Why process XP-2 at home at 38C, when you can just process films like Delta 3200 at 20C?

Good question

At the time I first push processed XP1 & later XP2 Delta 3200 was not available, it hadn't been launched.

Processing at 38ºC is not difficult, in fact I'd also be processing the push process Fuji P 1600 E6 film as well, alas this was one of the first films to be discontinued.

XP2 still gives amazing tonality while retaining relatively fine graineven push processed.

Ian

reub2000 · Mar 20, 2007

Interesting. Are you losing a lot of shadow detail when you do this?

Ian Grant · Mar 20, 2007

reub2000 said:
Interesting. Are you losing a lot of shadow detail when you do this?

The reason I prefered XP1/XP2 was unlike convential film push processed the shadow detail was far better, asnd the grain finer.

Ian

Paul Howell · Mar 20, 2007

Ian Grant said:
Have you considered push processing XP2 in C41 chemistry. I used XP1 and later XP2 for a number of years uprated to 1600 or 3200 to shoot rock concerts. Grain and tonality were excellent and far superior to uprating conventional film.

I have not pushed 41, my only experinace has been with E4/6. Is it 50% increase per stop?

Helen B · Mar 20, 2007

Roger Hicks said:
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All chromogenics are a nominal 400, though as there is no ISO standard for chromogenic mono, this is by analogy...

Roger,

"Just out of interest" what part of ISO 6 prevents it from being used for chromogenic B&W film? ISO 6 allows any form of development, including thermal development but not including diffusion transfer. Ilford quote XP2 Super as being "ISO 400". Is it simply that the density difference-exposure difference relationship may not be met by standard C-41 processing?

Thanks,
Helen

GraemeMitchell · Mar 20, 2007

Fuji press 1600 pushed one stop (rate it at approx 2000). Convert to black and white in post. Or leave it in color.

You may be surprised. It's a neat film.

Roger Hicks · Mar 20, 2007

Helen B said:
Is it simply that the density difference-exposure difference relationship may not be met by standard C-41 processing?

Dear Helen,

Indeed, this is what I understand. But I have to admit that I am merely repeating something I was told by a couple of people who know a great deal more than I; I have not verified it for myself. It may be (and it's a very long time ago, so I've forgotten) that the lomg-discontinued dedicated Ilford kit did allow the ISO criteria for density and slope to be met, and that XP-1 therefore was ISO 400; but I know that the current film is about 1/3 stop faster than the older version and than its Kodak competitors, in both my tests and Ilford's.

Cheers,

R.

maxim · Mar 21, 2007

thanks everyone

Thanks everyone for their contributions

I just love the convenience of XP2 since its C41 process.
But i guess i will have to try the Delta 3200

Interesting idea of using Fuji Press 1600 and convert to BnW in post process
Maybe I will try that as well

dynachrome · Mar 21, 2007

3200 Speed C-41 Film

There was a C-41 color print film which was rated at 3200 and processed normally. This was Konica's 3200 SR-G color print film. If you underexposed it even a little it looked terrible bit having the speed was nice. It was discontinued years ago.

Looking for C41 film ASA 3200

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