looking for a link to service manual for canon new f-1

[canon_capture]

hey guys, i recently came upon a new f-1 which is in need of some serious love, but i can only find the service manual for the old f-1. anyone happen to know where i can find the new f-1 service manual? thanks

 

[camtec]

What is wrong with it?
I have the SPT journal, 1984, Sept/Oct. issue and recommend it highly. It is written by Larry Lyells who wrote the best repair manuals available. Unless you a camera technician don't even think about doing repairs on that camera.

 

[Christiaan Phleger]

Even if you ARE a camera technician I'd think very intently about working on this camera

 

[benjiboy]

Probably I.M.O. the best manual focus S.L.R. ever made, I have three of them, but they are professional cameras with around 10,000 components and are very complex electro/mechanical devices that were not designed to be repaired on the kitchen table by the man in the street but by professional repairers. If you have any sense you won't attempt to repair it yourself.

 

[canon_capture]

hah every time someone starts a thread on fixing their camera everyone always tells them not to.

well i didn't pay a lot for it, and the curtain is wrinkled and rough, so it isn't worth having it cla. if i was going to send one in i would buy one in nicer condition to start with. this is basically a parts camera at this point.

i have successfully repaired my ae-1 program so i am not exactly a complete novice.

the wind lever is stuck. it isn't stuck at the gear train as i was able to take apart the bottom and check, and there was still play in the gears, so it must be stuck at the top somewhere. i need instructions to take off the top parts (both preferably)

i googled for the spt manual and didn't get much, but maybe ill try looking into that some more.

 

[Yeeski]

Here's a link to a free download of the New F-1 Parts Catalog which may help:

http://www.baytan.org/prak/pdf/serv/NEWF-1.pdf

 

[Christiaan Phleger]

I respect that it Was a very intricately built to high-standards camera Intended to be used by hard using pro's. Perhaps if the AF revolution was a few years later on it would have had a bigger and more enthusiastic audience. But it was the wrong camera at the wrong time. I would not put it in the top five for sure in any category (save Excessive System Parts). It had a 'slower' shutter, a slower heavier motor, the shutter battery/no battery AND AE "clauses" (hmm If I use a Sports Finder And No Motor Will it or Won't it give correct exposure in Shutter Preferred Auto?).

When it was in the planning stages Canon was aiming for Nikon F2 in the areas of durability and probably the Minolta X-1 in the area of camera systems technology (the X-1 also has the changing camera exposure modes/methods based on Finder selection and use). Trouble was that Nikon came out with the F3 in the meantime with several different solutions that very much appealed to the users and their methods of working (electronically controlled shutter 100% of the time which was more accurate at higher shutter speeds AND at highest frame rates) a lighter smaller motor that was faster. What the new F-1 missed out on *at the time* was the faster vertical metal shutter with higher flash sync and higher top speed. The Nikon FA was being used by sports shooters for the faster *shutter speed* but missed out on the slower frame rate (which many thought nikon was holding back on the top motor speeds for the FM/FE chassis bodies due to shutter durability and probably as to not compete with the top model the F3). If Canon had put the shutter of the T90 into the New F-1 when it came out nobody would remember the F3. That would have been *the* camera of the time period. And I believe at some level they considered it; they most definitely could have technically. All the pros (handful) I knew that shot it professionally loved it, I've shot more than a few rolls thru a few, some with motors some without. No doubt it was a tank. If in good shape the cameras can hammer thru a lot of film. The sports finder; motor FD with a 500mm f/4.5 or 800 f/5.6 L was THE surf setup for a period of time.

 

[canon_capture]

Here's a link to a free download of the New F-1 Parts Catalog which may help:http://www.baytan.org/prak/pdf/serv/NEWF-1.pdf

thanks, this looks like it could be helpful

 

[benjiboy]

I have owned Both the Nikon F2 and F3 in the past and currently own 3 Canon New F1-AE's, and indeed have sold all these models professionally when I worked at a leading U.K. professional dealers when they were current, the F2 and F3 as soon as you remove the prism and fit the waist level, or sports finder you loose the TTL metering because the meter cell is in the prism which isn't the case with the New F1 because the metering cell is is in the camera body, the F3 is almost completely battery dependant with only one manual shutter speed if the batteries fail whereas the hybrid Canon New F1 Electro/ mechanical shutter can still provide a full range of mechanical shutter speeds of 1/90 sec. 1/125 sec, 1/250 sec, 1/500 sec, 1000 sec, 1/2000 if the batteries fail, in addition the Nikon F3 only offers aperture priority A.E. the New F1 with the AE prism finder, AE power winder FN, or motor drive FN attached offers both shutter and aperture priority AE and full manual exposure, one of the reasons it was the official camera of the 1984 L.A. Olympic Games http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/canonf1n/LA-Olympic1984/

P.S. I also own a Canon T90 and the shutter although capable of faster speeds than the Titanium foil Canon New F1 one is made of Aluminium and hasn't got the durability needed for professional use

 

[Christiaan Phleger]

Not correct: The Nikon F3 keeps the TTL metering AND AE with Any and all finders since the meter is in the body just like the New F1. The New F1 would have been a competitive pro camera if Nikon had released the F3 later and the F2 was the New F1 only competitor.

The hybrid shutter in theory was an excellent idea, especially for the pro's that it was targeted to, who had a distinct distrust of battery dependent cameras (and who could blame them in that era of power hungry circuits), and this was Canon's (as well as Pentax pro body the LX and my previously mentioned Minolta X-1) solution to assuring working pro's that they'd always have a functioning camera to finish the assignment. HOWEVER, once again the arrival of the Nikon F3 while the New F-1 was in development changed the game under Canon's feet: The LCD meter display and extremely low power consumption of the F3 (also helped by powering the body from the motor drive battery ) meant that those power concerned pro's learned very quickly that battery concerns with the F3 were simply not an issue. Especially when used with the excellent motor MD-4 which most of the working pro's adapted to using very quickly, (as opposed to the F2 and its line of heavy fussy motors, where many pros would have only one dedicated motored body and 2-3 other non-motor bodies. Most pro's started carrying 2-3 fully motored F-3's).

I agree the T90 shutter was not durable enough; every one of the pro's I knew that shot them professionally lamented that they wished the shutter of the T90 was in the stronger heavy duty body of the New F-1, shutter/body failures were common in the T90 era. As well the in water surf photographers I knew during a period of time preferred to use the T90 with the flash sync of 1/250 and then they'd use 1/350 as the sync speed, the underexposure of the lower part of the frame aided the in-tube photos with a wide-angle lens, effectively creating a vignette of sorts. When the camera worked as well as the water housing didn't leak the set-up made great images.

But; if Canon had thrown some weight behind a faster shutter that was wholly battery powered they could've put it in to the New F-1, remember at this time Nikon had the FM2/FE2/FA shutter with titanium shutter running at 1/250 flash with top speed of 1/4000, and it would only be a few years until Nikon was putting an Aluminum shutter into a consumer camera that ran up to 1/8000 the N8008.

Oh and the reason that camera was the Olympic camera was wholly due to Canon's extensive corporate sponsorship of those particular games. Arguably the most memorable images of those games was made with a Nikon either an F3 or F2 Highspeed with a 300mm f/2.0 and TC-14c (David Burrnett of the fallen runner for example).