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I'm in the market for an afforable 4x5 field camera. I use a GV-II but I'd like something with reasonable movements that I can backpack. Due to the limited movements (and the weight) I don't care for using a Speed/Crown. I also have a B&J Press camera (why doesn't anyone ever seem to mention these?) - seems to have a fair amount of movement, and that nice rotating back, but weighs a ton (literally :wink:).

I've been looking at a Toyo 45a, as well as Tachihara, Shen-Hao, Calumet Woodfield, Nagaoka. Only the former (and the Shen Hao) seems to offer a full range of movements. Any thoughts on these options?

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if your'e interested in a field camera, you can consider mine which is still for sale

Zone VI camera with standard (removable) synthetic bellows with no holes. Camera wear is average (scratches).

I have added a BAIL to keep the camera from moving when inserting a film holder which is a very nice feature.

comes with a half dozen lensboards, some wood OEM and some homemade aluminum (won't break)

Camera alone: $650

150mm Apo-Symmar f5.6 $325

210mm Symmar-S f5.6 $275

outfit $1100 and I'll throw in 12 Fidelity holders and a box of film

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzd1s39p/zonevi/index.htm
 

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I look at it as a movements or weight issue. Some of the cameras mentioned can be a little loose too. I used a Zone VI for a few years, lots of movement and triple extension as well as bag bellow adaptable. Mine locked up as tight as a safe. Over six pounds though.

Then a long run with a Horseman HD. Wonderful camera. No movements on the back and very short bellows. Around three pounds and rubber covered aluminum. Damn near bulletproof. With the Fuji Tele 300 it covered about everything I needed. I used very small lenses on it to keep the weight down. For a field and stream hiking camera it did everything I ever wanted. I never should have sold it.

Too bad because I sold them both to buy a Linhof. Another wonderful camera that I really don't want to pack to far.

I would add the Horseman FA to your list. But you would need tele's beyond the 240 mark. BTW, For real backpacking consider the HD. It folds up smaller than anything else out there too. BTW, back movements are over rated.
 

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Dan

You seem to put a lot of emphasis on movements. I wonder why. I have three LF cameras, a Toyo 45 metal-field, a Linhof Technikardan and a Cambo Legend for the studio. The Toyo has the least movements, but still more than any of my lenses (90, 135, 210). The lens coverage is the bottleneck, not the camera movements.
 
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Ralph,
I don't think it's a lot of emphasis on movement - I think I mention weight equally. My primary 4x5 cameras are a GV-II and a Pacemaker Speed. The GV-II does everything I want it to, but isn't packable. I use the Speed with barrel lenses for portraiture. While I like the idea of a stripped down Crown as a field camera, it doesn't have enough movements to challenge my Nikkor-SW 90 f8, and to use that lens in the GV-II requires the recessed lensboard which severely limits movement of the front.

Dan
 

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I can recommend the Shen-Hao, my son uses it and routinely exceeds the image circle of his lenses with it's movements. But don't tell him I said that! On the other hand, he can't use my Fuji 450 mm lens, not enough draw.
 

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How much extension do you want? If 12 inches will do, the Tachihara is a great balance weight, movement, and usability.
 

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I made the choice to start out with a Tachihara due to weight as I'm a backpacker also. I go into some pretty rugged areas in Northern Ontario and after breaking the Tachihara rather easily, I switched to the Toyo 45A, giving up some weight for sturdiness. I've never lacked for movement in the field for what I do. MPEX gave me a fair trade in value on the Tachihara as it was repairable. I also use a Cambo Legend for studio work.
 

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The Tachihara has all the movements you will ever need, inexpensive and light. The only downside is that you have to use Calumet backs if you ever want to use a roll film back......and it is limited in bellows extension. I use a 240mm all the time. A 300mm is technically feasible, but I think close focus would be a bit limited. If you can do up in cost a little, consider the Chamonix. If I had to do it again, that is what I'd go with.
 

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A Wisner Tech Field has 21" of draw and only weighs 6 1/2 pounds with plenty of movements.
Cheers,
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Zone VI's are cheap and decent. there are 2 versions: one is a Tachihara and the other made in Vermont (i have been told this is by Wisner before he had a falling out with Picker...

There was also a Zone VI make by Wista. In fact, my Zone VI is labels "Zone VI made by Wista". From all that I can, it's the Wista 45 with the Zone VI label. Not sure where they came in on the timeline.
 

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shen-hao is cheap and nice.


heavy is subjective; you could start attending a culturism gym...
 

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I have an old (1946) Crown View for sale in the classifieds here. It is light and in good shape for it's age and has a fair amount of movements. I used it for back packing in the Sierras for many years but can no longer hike like that. Take a look at the photos.
 
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Any good field camera is a compromise. Your task is to be clear on what you need/want so you can choose the camera with the right combination of compromises to give you the features you need.

Some thoughts: Some field cameras are bigger and weigh more. They have interchangeable bellows, longer bellows draw, lots of movements, some are made of metal and are "bulletproof," etc. Some field cameras are small and light. They usually have shorter bellows fewer movement possibilities, possibly less "secure" adjustments, etc. The question here is: Where and how are you going to carry your camera? If a long way in a backpack, then you'd better go for the small and light variety. If, like Edward Weston, nothing is photogenic if it's more than 100 yards from the car, then go big. For me, the Wisner Zone VI cameras, though nice, are too big and heavy. I carry a Wista DX or a Horseman Woodman in the field, both bare-bones and light (approx. 3 lbs+). If I were buying new, I'd look at the Chamonix, a new Wista DX, maybe the Shen Hao or the Tachi.

Another consideration: Which movements do you need, really? I decided long ago that I didn't want to live without shift on my field cameras. Front or back, either is okay, but it's just too inconvenient to do the "point and swing" thing every time I need a half-inch of shift. That said, I don't mind pointing and tilting/swinging for extra rise and shift if I have to, so I can live with a smaller camera with "limited" movements in the field and compensate with other techniques. Like Ralph said, usually lens coverage is the limiting factor. This is especially true if you use lightweight, smaller lenses, which usually have less coverage.

Also, field cameras by nature have problems at either end of the bellows draw. That means, the bellows bind with shorter lenses, not allowing full movements and that they are usually too short for longer lenses. You can get around some of this with recessed and extended lens boards (with these, I can use a 75mm and a 300mm on my Wista DX). Heavier, more expensive field cameras often have longer and/or interchangeable bellows. But this is more to carry. So, another question: How long/short do you want your lens kit to be and what kind of movements do you "need" from the short extreme?

You need a tool that will do the job for you 95% of the time. With any camera, there will always be a time when it will not do what you want it to. Sometimes no camera will.

Remember, too, the simplest tools require the most skill. With simpler cameras, you will need more technique as regards to movements (e.g., dealing with base tilts, pointing and tilting/swinging to get extra rise/shift, etc.). Mastering these techniques will save you weight. Getting the photo you want is less about the equipment and more about the know-how. However, there are those who just can't live without asymmetrical swings, rear and front standard focusing, axis tilts and a bag bellows.

Finally, what else might you use your "field" camera for? I routinely do architecturals with mine, so good spirit levels are indispensable, as is a gridded ground glass. Close ups? both front and rear focus would be nice if you plan on doing this a lot. It would save a lot of inching your tripod back and forth (which, however, works fine for the occasional close-up, just takes more time).

Once you've considered the above (and probably a lot more I've left out), you'll be in a better position to choose the tool for you.

Best and good luck,

Doremus Scudder
 
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Thanks for all the responses. After some thought, I ended up with a Calumet Wood Field (same as a Tachihara from what I read) that fit my budget and should fit my expected needs. I'm bidding on a Shen Hao but I have no expectation that the price will stay within my range - if it somehow does, the Calumet would go up for sale.

For now at least, I'll keep the GV-II for times where I don't need to fit the camera into a backpack and don't mind lugging around the graflex case it lives in. If it ends up seeing little use (if I generally prefer the ergonomics of the Calumet and don't need the extra movements of the GV-II) it'll end up on the classifieds here.

Thanks,
Dan
 

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The Tachihara has all the movements you will ever need, inexpensive and light. The only downside is that you have to use Calumet backs if you ever want to use a roll film back......and it is limited in bellows extension. I use a 240mm all the time. A 300mm is technically feasible, but I think close focus would be a bit limited. If you can do up in cost a little, consider the Chamonix. If I had to do it again, that is what I'd go with.

I use a Fujinon 300/8.5 "C" on my Tachihara with no issues. It focuses at about 2.3 meters in this case. At least for me, it's good enough.
 
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I use a Fujinon 300/8.5 "C" on my Tachihara with no issues. It focuses at about 2.3 meters in this case. At least for me, it's good enough.

I only have a couple of lenses longer than 200mm (and, other than a 203mm f7.7 Kodak, they're probably all half of a convertible). I tend to do most of my work at the wider end so I should be okay (looking forward to having a camera that takes full advantage of a Nikkor-SW 90mm f8). That 75mm S-A you're selling would go nicely with this camera, if only it hadn't blown my budget for a while.
 

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That 75mm S-A you're selling would go nicely with this camera, if only it hadn't blown my budget for a while.

Sorry for your budget. I confirm it goes well with the Tachihara (I'm using a flat board and it's just fine)
 

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I still like my Gowland Pocket View -- 2.5 pounds with the Caltar-IIN 150mm/f5.6 on it. No back shift and no back rise on my stripped down model, but everything else. 315mm (12.5") of bellow draw -- some models have 16".

The Horseman Woodman is a nice lightweight machine, also.
 
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