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I got a print from Don in the Alt process print exchange that has me really intrigued. It was a three color gum print. I have read everything I can find on the net about it and it is clear that most are using the computer to accomplish the three negs. I don't want to use a computer. I have no desire to invest the amount of money it would take to get the digital portion set up. So I am wondering if there is a book/article/something out there that describes how to do this from three incamera negatives.

Any help would be nice.
 

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There is also a book called "The Gum Bichromate Book", which is out of print, but you can find it used. If you have problems locating either Keepers of the Light or this book used, PM me and I can provide you some sources.

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mark said:
...So I am wondering if there is a book/article/something out there that describes how to do this from three incamera negatives.

Any help would be nice.

Mark,

If you want to do this from in-camera negatives you'll need some tricolor filters and a static subject. The filters will all have different exposure factors and you will have to test development times for each color. I did this once with some success with wratten 29, 58 and 47B filters IIRC. It has been about 15 years but from memory the 47B flter negative had an exposure factor of 12X and received the most development, I think I gave the red filter 8x and the green 5x, and development was pretty standard for the latter two. You'll need a panchromatic film like TMAX 100 or 400 to pull this off.

If you are doing this for gum you don't want too much contrast in any of the negatives so they would appear to print flat with a #2 silver paper.

I'd recommend something like Daniel Smith New Gamboge for the yellow printer, maybe quinacridone rose for the magenta, and prussian blue for the cyan. This won't give you accurate color, but should give you an introduction. Alizarin crimson and phthalocyanine blues are usually recommended for the magenta and cyan pigments, but IME these colors are way more prone to staining than the ones I've mentioned (although all quinacridones do have a tendency to stain). Alizarin also isn't very permanent. Other yellows tend to more opaque which would be OK if you print them as the first layer but that complicates later registration. (Hard to see a yellow image through an orange emaulsion.)

Size the paper with a good gelatin and harden it in a formalin solution if you can obtain and handle it safely (avoid inhaling fumes, etc.) since it is carcinogenic and a respiratory irritant. Other hardeners work, but not as well.

The paper needs good wet strength and dimensional stability. Something like the old Fabriano Artistico would be my choice in 300# weight. Another good paper is Winsor and Newton 90#. Preshrinking will help.

I usually mix the gum:dichromate in the ratio of 2:1 and use saturated potassium dichromate as the sensitizer. Pigment strengths vary-you'll just have to test.

I'd read KOL for the section on 3-color printing but would not put any faith on the actual gum printing chapter. Crawford quotes Andersen's pigment:gum test which is invalid as far as I'm concerned and will only give you misleading info. Also, too much pigment won't cause stain, only underexposure and flaking contrary to what you may read in texts. A pigment is either going to stain or not depending on its composition and the paper. More pigment will cause a heavier stain if the pigment is a staining one, but with such a pigment, there will never be a point where some staining won't result.

Perhaps there are resources on the web dealing with making color separation negatives for processes like dye transfer or Evercolor. I'd spend my time investigating those rather than following some specific web gum recipe you might find because YMMV.


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Mark, there are a few pages in 'Historic Photographic Processes' by Richard Farber which describe tri-colour gum printing. You could also subscribe to and search the archives of Dead Link Removed One thing you will find is the differing opinions between those who print gum, for example, I did find Anderson's pigment/gum test of some use.

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Another solution to this would be to photograph the scene on color slide film and produce the coloe separation negatives on slow fim under the enlarder using tri-color filters. It would be tircky, but would work well once you get it properly tuned. This would also allow you to shoot initally on 120 or even 35mm; LF negatives would only be required for the final separation negatives ... It also has the advantage of being capable of photographing regular (non-static) subjects.
 

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New Dimensions in Photo Imaging by Laura Blacklow is a good book. Printed by the Focal Press. ISBN 0-240-51788-5

One practical thing about this book is that it is spiral bound, so it lays flat. I like that.
 
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I was hopig for a book only on gum and I looked at the prices for The Gum Bichromate Book and got some whopping prices. A low of 49US, and a high of 177US. I will look for it at a university library and copy the chapter.

Doing this traditional way might be much more time consuming than I can afford. I think I will put it on the back burner. Thanks for the info.
 

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mark said:
I was hopig for a book only on gum and I looked at the prices for The Gum Bichromate Book and got some whopping prices. A low of 49US, and a high of 177US. I will look for it at a university library and copy the chapter.

Doing this traditional way might be much more time consuming than I can afford. I think I will put it on the back burner. Thanks for the info.

Mark,

FWIW, I got my copy of the Gum Bichromate Book used for $4! So bargans are out there. You may also be interested in getting Stephen Livick's book, check out www.livick.com.

Making color seperation negatives is arduous <sp?> but you may want to google dye transfer for information in that regard since three negatives are required for those. You may wish to start here though:

http://ctein.com/dyetrans.htm

Keith Taylor's site may also serve as inspiration, I know it was for me:

http://www.keithtaylorphoto.com/


Good luck with what ever method you choose,

Don Bryant
 

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Interlibrary loan. The best way to get access to out of print books. Just ask at your local library how to do it. There are a number of copies in various libraries so you should not have trouble getting a hold of a copy through Interlibrary loan.

- Randy
 

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I agree with Don

Steven Livik is one of the best colour gum printers that I am aware of. His work of late is in very large large murals. But I remember his series of colour gums of carnival life that was simply amazing. He is from the Dorchester Ontario area and when I was in College my instructor was good friends with him and I had the opportunity to meet him and his dedication to photography helped formed / convinced me to proceed in this profession.
 
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