Lith Printing a few question

[kjsphoto]

What paper is JandC Polywarmtone? Is it Forte Warmtone? Since I cant get it from JandC right now I am looking for another supplier.

And what Kentmere paper Lith good? It is Kentmere Kentona?

Thanks,

Kevin

 

[Bob Carnie]

Kentona liths very well but is quite warm, peachy red. to some eyes too warm.
I use Oriental G4 , Fotospeed Lith , Elite and Ilford warmtone for the bulk of my Lith printing.

What paper is JandC Polywarmtone? Is it Forte Warmtone? Since I cant get it from JandC right now I am looking for another supplier.

And what Kentmere paper Lith good? It is Kentmere Kentona?

Thanks,

Kevin

 

[tim rudman]

Polywarmtone = forte.
Re Kentmere: This might help. Here is a short extract from my new W.O.L.P. current papers chapter:

Kentmere: (UK) Available in Europe, UK, USA, Australia.
• Kentmere Kentona Glossy. Lith prints easily and well. Blacks may have unobtrusive texture, smooth mid and high tones. Recent changes, late ‘05: Possibly due to new raw materials (e.g. gelatine) being sourced, as the old suppliers exit the market, newer batches are lith printing less pink in tone in highly diluted lith, more an attractive salmon colour with more textured blacks. Lith processing has a way of revealing otherwise invisible differences.
• Kentmere Art Classic The same emulsion as Kentona, but on lightly textured warm tone cream based exhibition paper. While stocks last. Important pre-press news – see Footnote
• Kentmere Art Document Double weight non super-coated with a strongly textured parchment-like finish. It lith prints easily, giving warm sandy browns. While stocks last. Important pre-press news – see Footnote
• Kentmere Classic Matt (name to be confirmed). New product for 2006, using Kentona emulsion. Important pre-press news – see Footnote*
• Kentmere Art Matt (name to be confirmed). Planned new product for 2006, using Art Document emulsion. Important pre-press news – see Footnote*
• Kentmere Fineprint VC Finegrain Warmtone Lith prints to pleasing yellow-brown hues with cold blacks that exhibit a finer grain and texture in the blacks than Kentona. Note: Another Kentmere paper, Fineprint VC, shares the same emulsion as Fineprint VC Warmtone, but on a bright white glossy paper. However, it does not lith print. The surprising thing, given the emulsion recipe, is not that it doesn’t lith print, but rather that the warm tone version does. This is thought to be because of some effect from the warmtone pigment used, which is mixed into the emulsion rather than onto the paper. The cold version Fineprint VC does however respond well to bleach and lith redevelopment after first processing in ‘normal’ developer.
Footnote:
 The production of Art Classic and Art Document papers in their current forms has just been discontinued, (Jan 06) due to the closure of the manufacturer of the textured paper used. New products planned for release later in 2006 using these two emulsions on a new base material. Classic Matt and Art Matt are names under consideration.

However, there are about 50 different papers suitable for Lith Kevin - some rebadged of course, but too many to list here. [ they are all in the book ;-) ]

You will be lucky to find the A.C. paper anywhere now except possibly on Ebay.

Also I just learned that the paper manufacturer for the A.C. base didn't exactly go out of business, but replaced the mat in the paper press that gave the AC texture.

Interestingly Foma have just brought out a 'Chamois' version of Fomatone MG on a cream coloured AC texture base which they must have had previous stocks of. It is made to special order only but Silverprint have good supplies. I just picked up a box of it from them. Great for Lith.
Tim

 

[kjsphoto]

Thank you both for the reply I appreciate it so much!

What grade of paper would you recommend for Kentmere Kentona? I do realize that contrast is controlled by exposure and dev time but I would like to know what is a good grade to start with?

Ok so JandC = Forte then is Arista.EDU Forte also? I have been doing a lot of lith and am falling in love with it!


Thanks,

Kev

 

[Mark Layne]

Kevin
Kentona is US Grade 2 1/2 only. I find it is also an excellent warmtone paper for general printing
Mark

 

[Robert Hall]

Not to mention, Kev, that the grade of the image is determined by the snatch point and highlights by exposure.

By and large, grade doesn't matter.

 

[timeUnit]

You could also try Kentmere Bromide for a cooltone lith print. I find that Bromide papers lith considerably slower, at least in Moersch EasyLith and Maco Superlith. But that can be a good thing... Last time I did lith printing I was using Kentona and boy was it fast...

I use Fomatone, Fomabrom, Forte Bromofort, Agfa MCC, Forte Polywarmtone, Forte Fortezo...

 

[timeUnit]

Oops: it seems Kentmere Bromide doesn't lith, sorry for confusing things.

 

[Bob Carnie]

I agree , just finished some lith prints this week and I had the Kentmere Bromide glossy and semimatte and neither one gave acceptable results.

As well just finished a couple of boxes of Fotospeed lith.
the packaging was bizarre. 16x20 50 sheets boxes. Both boxes had five individual packages of 16x20 paper inside*10per envelope* and both boxes had one of the ten sheet packages a totally different surface and look.
Looks like old stock is being shuffeled into the mix. I just purchased two more boxes and will see if the same trick is done again.
Wonder if this has happened to anyone else??

Oops: it seems Kentmere Bromide doesn't lith, sorry for confusing things.

 

[dancqu]

... Kentmere Bromide doesn't lith ...

"... Kentmere Bromide doesn't lith ..." Period?
So why does it not lith or do so poorly? Perhaps
the Bromide? How does Azo a chloride only paper
lith? Why do some rather usual papers lith well and
others do not?
Perhaps there are some pre-purchase clues? Dan

 

[timeUnit]

well, it's not the bromide emulsion only, as Fomabrom and Bromofort does lith.