Liquid emulsion

Jarvman · Mar 4, 2008

I wouldn't mind trying something like this http://www.alternativephotography.com/artists/alexey_belov/ab_sunrise_in_the_forest.html

I took a similar kind of photograph today with this print in mind, looking at silverprint but I can't find any liquid emulsion, they surely must have it though. What's it called, what's the best stuff to get? Also do you have any idea what this is printed on? I was thinking of buying cheapy canvases, what is the background coloured with?

Photo Engineer · Mar 4, 2008

Liquid Light is one product. Ilford made such a product. IDK if it is still made.

Paper can be tinted with dilute pigments, dyes, coffee, tea and a whole host of materials. You can use just about any paper but if you want production grade DW FB Baryta, it is sold through the Formulary and is where I get mine.

PE

thebanana · Mar 4, 2008

I've had good luck with this stuff:

http://www.rockaloid.com/

removed account4 · Mar 4, 2008

i have had great luck with liquid light
i have never used it on paper
only used on glass, and it worked
well, once i learned how to "subb it"

john

rwyoung · Mar 4, 2008

www.freestylephoto.biz lists a few different liquid emulsions. The Maco stuff is supposed to be pretty good too. Item number 147 on the list of a zillion things to try!

Ian Grant · Mar 5, 2008

Try Silverprint, Martin sells Liquid Emulsions. Usually these are just commercial paper emulsions re-packaged, but exactly the same as used to coat conventional enlarger papers.

Many years ago a UK company (Barfen) sold an Ilford emulsion, but this came from the Ilford's Nuclear Emulsions division.

Ian

mrtoml · Mar 5, 2008

I have been trying the Fotospeed variable contrast emulsion available in the UK.

Here are a couple of examples:

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

I haven't got the hang of coating the paper yet, but it has some good possibilities.

I also believe the Silverprint book on liquid emulsion has just been republished. might be worth a look.

El Gringo · Mar 5, 2008

I was actually looking into liquid emulsions the other day with the intention of printing on cotton sheets and was looking at Silverprint's website. It took me a while but there is some on there, under alt-processes rather than the developers section.

Ian Grant · Mar 5, 2008

Why would Liquid emulsions be listed in a Chemicals/Developer section, they aren't processing chemicals

Ian

RH Designs · Mar 5, 2008

http://www.silverprint.co.uk/altproc1.html

I've been toying with the idea of trying some as well.

Wishy · Mar 5, 2008

Retro photographic also has this in stock (Adox Lux Liquid under chemicals)

El Gringo · Mar 5, 2008

Ian Grant said:
Why would Liquid emulsions be listed in a Chemicals/Developer section, they aren't processing chemicals

Ian

My post made sense when I wrote it! Just goes to show that you shouldn't start answering questions until after you've had some caffeine

Erik Hartmann · Mar 5, 2008

Try this link:
http://www.emilschildt.com/TEKNIKSIDEflydende emulsion.htm

And you can by it from www.fotoimpex.de or
www.fomafoto.com

removed account4 · Mar 5, 2008

i believe forumulte sold by the formulary is similar to (if not rebranded and the same as ) the maco/black cat.
luminos used to also make some, wish they still did, it was the same relative asa as slow film ...

john

gandolfi · Mar 5, 2008

RH Designs said:
http://www.silverprint.co.uk/altproc1.html

I've been toying with the idea of trying some as well.

yes - that's the one!

SO easy to use - one coating and you're there.
make sure you use a brush without any metals on it (hake brushes).

the 1 liters are on their way back, as far as I know.
(unfortunately not the 5liters though)

any question on this, just ask.

(it is really easy to make your own emulsion also - if you stick to the simplest of recipies...)

good luck - it is highly addictive!

Silverhead · Mar 5, 2008

Liquid Light is a good material to learn the craft on, as it's the least expensive--at least here in the States--mainly because it has the lowest silver content of any available liquid emulsion. Maco/Rollei's silver content is much higher, and Kentmere's (which used to be Silverprint IIRC) is the highest...and of course, its higher price reflects that. I would consider starting out with Liquid Light, and then once you've gotten yourself in the groove, graduate to the better stuff so you can crank out some really fine material.

Photo Engineer · Mar 5, 2008

Silverhead said:
Liquid Light is a good material to learn the craft on, as it's the least expensive--at least here in the States--mainly because it has the lowest silver content of any available liquid emulsion. Maco/Rollei's silver content is much higher, and Kentmere's (which used to be Silverprint IIRC) is the highest...and of course, its higher price reflects that. I would consider starting out with Liquid Light, and then once you've gotten yourself in the groove, graduate to the better stuff so you can crank out some really fine material.

You have analyses to show this silver difference? The reason I ask is that the same emulsion can give a different density depending on how it is made. It would be interesting to know if you have data to back up the 'silver content' because if you don't, I suspect that they might (MIGHT) be the same silver content just treated differently in the finishing operation.

PE

thefizz · Mar 6, 2008

jnanian said:
i have had great luck with liquid light
i have never used it on paper
only used on glass, and it worked
well, once i learned how to "subb it"

john

Hi John, I have done liquid emulsion on timber and canvas but wanted to try it on glass. Any help you can provide on how you subbed your glass would be appreciated.

Peter

Photo Engineer · Mar 6, 2008

You can sub glass with gelatin, or just coat the emulsion directly on the glass.

The trick is to clean it well of all grease and oil, don't leave fingerprints, and harden with chrome alum.

There are other comments and some photos of how this is done posted in the emulsion making and coating forum.

Also, please be aware of the fact that all of these emulsions must be refrigerated, not frozen nor kept at room temperature, or they will not keep well. Also, every time you warm up the bottle to get some out, it changes slightly due to the heat cycle. That is why I store my emulsions in wide mouth containers and rather than re-heat them, I scoop out my sample with a spoon or a spatula.

PE

removed account4 · Mar 6, 2008

thefizz said:
Hi John, I have done liquid emulsion on timber and canvas but wanted to try it on glass. Any help you can provide on how you subbed your glass would be appreciated.

Peter

hi peter

i have tried to put the emulsion right on the glass as ron mentions can be done
but i have never had any luck doing it that way.
i have used a few different subbing compounds, from varnish and clear polyurethane to gelatin.
the varnish and urethane yellowed after a bit, but the gel never did.
there are a bunch of different kinds of gelatins, and as ron says,
you can use, photograde seems to work the best
( i use food grade which probably isn't good ) ..
after the gelatin is coated and dried ( i do a few coats ) you can either
flow the emulsion on the plate, or paint it. its fun, and not too hard.
the hardest part is cleaning the glass, so water sheets off ( no dry spots ).

there is a great article here:

http://www.alternativephotography.com/process_dryplate.html

good luck!

john

thefizz · Mar 6, 2008

Thanks John, I appreciate the info.

spb854 · Mar 6, 2008

Try this place

www.porters.com

They have a huge catalog.

They CAN be overpriced at times, but they list a couple
of liquid emulsions.

Steve

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