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Let's start a petition for Pan-F in 4x5!

gbenaim

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I'm not sure how to set it up technically, but just thought we could let Simon Galley at Ilford know how many people would buy PanF in larger formats if it were available. I'll post something on LF Forum as well, and perhaps we can consolidate lists. Just add your name to this thread, show your enthusiasm, and we'll make sure Simon sees it.
 
hmmm, I think this has come up before. IIRC, there is some technical reason why theyb haven't already done it. I thhink it has to do with the substrate layer?

Anyway, why not just use Delta 100?
 
It's just not going to happen.

Simon Galley has explained that the emulsion in PanF is incompatible with the sheet film substrate, and that they've tried but can't get it to work.

Better hope for Delta 25!
 
Best of luck but I just don't see it happening. I was brought up before and was shot down quickly. Interesting how Ilford can't make it in sheet while Kodak was able to make Panatomic-X in sheet. Must be the base just isn't being made or available. Or... You pick one.
 
The film in Polaroid Type 55 P/N is very close to Panatomic-X. One can opt to hand develop it rather than using the instant processing.
Have you tried Adox/Efke 25 or 50?
 
Actually, I'm using Panatomic 4x5. OK, it's the arecon, not quite the same, but with a bit of care, testing and effort, I'm getting some pretty good images. (some of the testing isn't complete, but I'm working on it.)

I seriously doubt that kodak (small k intended) would resurrect any film they've discontinued. Let's face it, any time they've made a good Kodak product for a given period of time, they stop making it.
 
Delta 100 is great, so is Efke 100 and FP4+ Kodak TMAX 100 is good (if you're one of the lucky people that has some of the old stuff Without the UV blocking in your freezer) .
 
O......K...... I'm on for a petition for Pan F in sheet. I recently compared it with Rollei and Efke and it had the tonal look I like. With a 645 the negatives were fantastic. Sure sheet film would be a winner but the film companies just don't have the courage to go back in time and bring out some of the products we used to enjoy. Speaking of Panatomic-X in this example. Instead we have Efke, Adox and the message that we should be grateful. Which I am, to a point. Why shouldn't we be asking for the better products?
 
Ilford won't do Pan F in sheet because the emulsion can't be put on a sheet film substrate with the same results, as I understand it. (Someone correct me if I'm off the mark.) Some seem to think that making film is simple.
 
you are correct. Simon has promised to try and put some of their delta films on sheets -- which ones I can't remeber.
 
Oh, I member some chatter about 3200 in 4x5 and 8x10. Now there is a special sumthin I would like to see.
 
Well, as this thing is never going to happen, perhaps this thread has run its course?
 
mhv said:
Well, as this thing is never going to happen, perhaps this thread has run its course?
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Not quite yet, I haven't had a chance to ask my silly question. I've been shooting Tri-x and T-max 400 in 4x5 for a few years now and have learned how to make nice printable negatives with a nice tonal scale. Grain isn't an issue in any way... even with 16x20 enlargements.

I would have a hard time believing that a 50asa film would give me an advantage in the grain area since my above mentioned films are already grainless in the enlargement size I typically do. So either:

People are making very very large prints where 400 asa film is finally showing some grain
- or -
Pan F has some advantage other than grain. Is it just a flat out gorgeous film? I don't know, having never used it. Does it have a better characteristic curve than T-Max?

So with the 2 stop speed loss over Tri-X/Tmax-400, what do you gain by using Pan F in 4x5?
 
Yes, as I've heard it, there is an issue with the combination of film substrate currently available and the emulsion that doesn't make Pan-F workable in sheet film sizes, unfortunately. The main attraction would be the beautiful tonality of Pan-F, and others would be low grain for very large enlargements, and slow speed for use with barrel lenses or long exposure techniques.
 
On second, third, and forth thought forget it. It could be very nice but very nice is not going to happen with Ilford Pan F in sheet size.
 
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