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For some unknown reason i find myself interested in a new lens; perhaps to go back to basics or lighten the load, who knows :D

anyway, i am tossing around a nikon 105 2.8 vr or a nikon 85 1.4.
years ago (read before good zooms ) my favorite lens most often in use was an 105 2.8.

my plan is to go into my dealer and run some simple test in the store and/or go rent both for a weekend and get a better sense of which might be more valuable, or just forget the whole thought and chalk it up to boredom:confused:

anyone here use both, and if so what are your thoughts?
 

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For some unknown reason i find myself interested in a new lens; perhaps to go back to basics or lighten the load, who knows :D

anyway, i am tossing around a nikon 105 2.8 vr or a nikon 85 1.4.
years ago (read before good zooms ) my favorite lens most often in use was an 105 2.8.

my plan is to go into my dealer and run some simple test in the store and/or go rent both for a weekend and get a better sense of which might be more valuable, or just forget the whole thought and chalk it up to boredom:confused:

anyone here use both, and if so what are your thoughts?

FF or cropped body. Both are nice but for a cropped body I would choose the 85 f/1.4.

Don
 
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thanks Don,

right now i have a d100, i know old (like me), but this is another "can of worms". I know i need or will need to upgrade at sometime, but have been putting it off.
 

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I have a 85 1.4 that I use on a D200 for head shots. I like it, nice lens.
 

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I can't speak to the Nikon offerings, but if I were looking for a new lens in that focal length range, the Zeiss 85/1.4 Planar, which comes in Nikon mount, would be on my list. I had a chance to play with the EOS version for a bit PhotoPlus, and it was very sharp with very smooth out of focus rendering.

The 100/2 Makro-Planar also gets great reviews.

Both are manual focus. I have the Zeiss 35/2 in M42 mount, and the manual focus feel is great, if you prefer manual focus, and build quality is excellent.
 
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David,

appreciate the suggestion. I did do a bit of research about the Zeiss lens, but no one here has one in stock and i would rather not buy something i haven't handled.

It did cross my mind that the zeiss would be better in terms of optics, but perhaps that is just a myth; really don't know.
 

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I have the nikkor 105 f2,8 AF micro and it is a nice lens the OOF rendering is ok the sharpness and contrast is great. I have a gallery of recently shot table top items online that I can direct you to. I'd post it here,but it is up for client review with feedback forms and so I'd rather not make it public.
 
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thanks for the offer jd, not too worry. tomorrow i am going to go test out a few lenses and then come home and compare then
 

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thanks Don,

right now i have a d100, i know old (like me), but this is another "can of worms". I know i need or will need to upgrade at sometime, but have been putting it off.

Had to chuckle at this. I thought I was the only person around still shooting with a D100. I guess there are at least two of us. :smile:
 

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thanks for the offer jd, not too worry. tomorrow i am going to go test out a few lenses and then come home and compare then

Please let us know what your thoughts are regarding the lenses
 
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Well, I took my trusty d100, a memory card and my 17-55 2.8 lens into my store.

Loaded the card into a d300, d700 and of course the d100.

Stood chatting at the counter and ran off a series of shoots using a 105 2.8, 85 1.4 and an 85 1.8 and of course the 17-55. Ran the major focal lengths with the zoom and the major fstops will the other three lens. Of course as we talked I had a serious brain cramp and did these shots of a wall of memory cards, especially useful for DOF testing. Lol


So back today, with memory card and no camera and no 17-55 as I had enough information to give me a headache.

This time I shot the d300 and the d700 with the 105, 85 1.8, but someone bought the 1.4 later in the day (yesterday) and that was the last one in stock until next week sometime.

I also made a wise decision to go outside this time and took a series of images of a stonewall and enough street in the background to actually see some DOF (brain cramps are such a pain)

The differences between the two 85’s were in size as the 1.4 is huge in comparison, very well built, but am clueless about the DOF, since a flat wall is useless here J The 1.8 wasn’t shabby, nor did it have a plastic feel but it doesn’t have the same number of elements so it is smaller and of course the price difference is huge.

I found the 105 lovely, but it does react in a strange way, at least in these test, (which remember are not benched marked) just outside in the real world. There is a blur at first and the image seems to “snap” into focus. It was an interesting experience but I don’t know how scientific.

Really like both of the focal lengths . Probably need to rent one for a weekend to really get a better feel. Years ago, before zooms , my favorite lens was a 105 2.8 and so old habits die hard. The micro feature could come in handy, but is not a feature that lead me to thinking about this lens.

The wall it’s self look great, nice and sharp and terrific contrast .Of course to speed up the process we used jpeg files rather than RAW as I didn’t want to convert all these images and CS3 won’t recognize the d300 or 700 so using the bridge was not an option.
There was a difference in the cameras decisions making process with the 300 being a bit contrastier and about a 1/3 of a stop darker. Both of these cameras came right out of the box with only the ISO and the file size being the same, no other adjustments for sharping, etc.

The biggest pain is the clear obvious difference in the d100 and what has taken place with new technical advancements. It took about 30 secs to see the differences on my monitor, and I didn’t even have to look at the metadata

So perhaps it is time to consider upgrading bodies to match my lenses. As my vendor said, “you have all this Ferrari glass and are driving a KIA

I knew this day would come, but I suppose I was secretly hoping the d100 would die and make the decision easier, or at least make more sense. However, now I have a decision about which direction to go, and perhaps I need to decide on which body before the lens.
 

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Well, I took my trusty d100, a memory card and my 17-55 2.8 lens into my store.

Loaded the card into a d300, d700 and of course the d100.

Stood chatting at the counter and ran off a series of shoots using a 105 2.8, 85 1.4 and an 85 1.8 and of course the 17-55. Ran the major focal lengths with the zoom and the major fstops will the other three lens. Of course as we talked I had a serious brain cramp and did these shots of a wall of memory cards, especially useful for DOF testing. Lol


So back today, with memory card and no camera and no 17-55 as I had enough information to give me a headache.

This time I shot the d300 and the d700 with the 105, 85 1.8, but someone bought the 1.4 later in the day (yesterday) and that was the last one in stock until next week sometime.

I also made a wise decision to go outside this time and took a series of images of a stonewall and enough street in the background to actually see some DOF (brain cramps are such a pain)

The differences between the two 85s were in size as the 1.4 is huge in comparison, very well built, but am clueless about the DOF, since a flat wall is useless here J The 1.8 wasnt shabby, nor did it have a plastic feel but it doesnt have the same number of elements so it is smaller and of course the price difference is huge.

I found the 105 lovely, but it does react in a strange way, at least in these test, (which remember are not benched marked) just outside in the real world. There is a blur at first and the image seems to snap into focus. It was an interesting experience but I dont know how scientific.

Really like both of the focal lengths . Probably need to rent one for a weekend to really get a better feel. Years ago, before zooms , my favorite lens was a 105 2.8 and so old habits die hard. The micro feature could come in handy, but is not a feature that lead me to thinking about this lens.

The wall its self look great, nice and sharp and terrific contrast .Of course to speed up the process we used jpeg files rather than RAW as I didnt want to convert all these images and CS3 wont recognize the d300 or 700 so using the bridge was not an option.
There was a difference in the cameras decisions making process with the 300 being a bit contrastier and about a 1/3 of a stop darker. Both of these cameras came right out of the box with only the ISO and the file size being the same, no other adjustments for sharping, etc.

The biggest pain is the clear obvious difference in the d100 and what has taken place with new technical advancements. It took about 30 secs to see the differences on my monitor, and I didnt even have to look at the metadata

So perhaps it is time to consider upgrading bodies to match my lenses. As my vendor said, you have all this Ferrari glass and are driving a KIA

I knew this day would come, but I suppose I was secretly hoping the d100 would die and make the decision easier, or at least make more sense. However, now I have a decision about which direction to go, and perhaps I need to decide on which body before the lens.

Ann,

I'm a Canon guy now but if I had to choiose I would go for the D700. It's a really swell camera - not that the D300 is shabby.

I know PPR down on 11th street rents Canon lenses but I think they may rent Nikon glass two. There are other lens rental options available on the web too, so renting lenses before making a purchase is definitely a good strategy, IMO.

Don
 

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I'd vote for full frame. I have and really like the d300, but I would have bought the d700 if it were available when I needed to buy. Having said that the d300s sounds very cool.
 

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I am trying to not buy a D700 at the moment. But there is this really nice Nikor 105 DC I have been offered. Using a D200 currently and the crop factor is not right..... God, maybe I just need to go buy an old F4 or something to use it on.

That and a good, cheap Mamiya 7 just turned up in a local shop ....... with lenses ........ and it looks like new .........

It's the photographer, not the camera he says to himself repeatedly ....

Don't buy. don't buy .........
 
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well, to bring this all up todate.

i ended up buying the d700 but not a lens :smile: at least not right now.

something i forgot to mention in my previous post regarding the 105, it is huge, it must be on steriods in comparison to my old 105.

we put the 105 on the 700 body for a last minute test and would have re-tested both of the 85's but both had been sold. (now remember, i made three trips, a day apart ) I asked if there was a piece of equipment they needed to get rid of as perhaps i needed to test it out to ensure it would sell right away.

anyway, after the test, i stood at the counter and went over the camera body setting the menu and about 20 minutes of handling the camera with lens it all became very heavy.

I did take the camera out to a ball game on Monday night for a trial spin, along with a monopod. Basically nothing special in the way of images, just getting use to focusing, etc. Smooth looking altho boring photos :smile:
 

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I use the 105 on tripod and or with flash mostly for table top stuff. I didn't find it too heavy, but Its different using the camera/lens this way than when walking around. The 105 is about 2.5 times as large as the 60 micro (the other table top lens) and at least that much bigger than the 50mm on my Mamiya 6 which is what I use to walk around with. The D300 plus 105 is heavier and less balanced than the mamiya w/ 50mm and so I can see what you are saying.

Congratulations on the new Camera purchase. As an aside but related somewhat. You can buy pinhole caps for the nikon and have the lightest, FF DSLR in the world as well as a handheld pinhole camera. G Zuili does some great stuff with the pinhole 'lens' and fast film: Dead Link Removed Go to galleries and then choose LA Fragments.
 
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thanks for the tip.
of course, i could do what someone on another site mention; they were at a zoo someplace (don't know where) and someone was walking around taking photos with no lens on a d40.

strange world out there.
 
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