You were the one that took us into the twilight zone by repeatedly holding up Magnum members as examples of great Leica photographers. Turns out Magnum photographers use all different type of equipment, so it is clearly not the camera that make the difference.
And the same can be said of photographers who chose a different camera. "But the simple fact remains, they chose [Nikon, Contax, Canon, Rolleiflex, etc.] for very specific reasons." It's an argument for apologists, and really doesn't carry much weight.Trying to circumnavigate the fact that a lot of brilliant image makers chose Leica is just silly. Sure...they could have done and do make fine images with other brands and types of camers. But the simple fact remains, they chose Leica for very specific reasons.
Until the advent of the professional single lens reflex camera around 1960, there wasn't much choice in high quality interchangeable lens compact cameras. WW2 had seen off most of Leica's competition, shipped off to Ukraine or dead in the rubble. The Japanese had a brief window to take Leica on and did very well at it, considering they had to develop the technology, the lenses and compete with three decades of PR, but SLRs put the Japanese rangefinder on the back burner with the exception of fixed lens point and shoots. Many of the best shots since then were taken on SLRs and TLRs especially in photojournalism, reportage and the commercial sector.Trying to circumnavigate the fact that a lot of brilliant image makers chose Leica is just silly. Sure...they could have done and do make fine images with other brands and types of camers. But the simple fact remains, they chose Leica for very specific reasons.
Very well stated. I'd think companies like Nikon built reputations and Leica built a mystique. It's a different approach to marketing.Until the advent of the professional single lens reflex camera around 1960, there wasn't much choice in high quality interchangeable lens compact cameras. WW2 had seen off most of Leica's competition, shipped off to Ukraine or dead in the rubble. The Japanese had a brief window to take Leica on and did very well at it, considering they had to develop the technology, the lenses and compete with three decades of PR, but SLRs put the Japanese rangefinder on the back burner with the exception of fixed lens point and shoots. Many of the best shots since then were taken on SLRs and TLRs especially in photojournalism, reportage and the commercial sector.
So the 35mm rangefinder's brilliant image makers were mostly working pre-war and during the war years with Leica and Contax, and in the immediate post war years with Leica because there wasn't a lot of choice. Some very good photographers have worked with Leica since then, especially in the street photography idiom where size matters, but there was more choice and photographers exercised it by buying other brands. Leica is by no means synonymous with fine photography, not even fine film photography, and contemporary names are likely to be found using all kinds of digital and larger format film cameras. A look at Leica forums will confirm kitten and flower photography is at least as well represented as any other brand.
There are a number of reasons for buying a new film or digital Leica camera: because you want a modern antique, because you already have a set of lenses that fit the cameras, because money is no object and you want to try one, because you want bragging rights at the pub. The appearance of the photographs it produces is not one of them.
And the same can be said of photographers who chose a different camera. "But the simple fact remains, they chose [Nikon, Contax, Canon, Rolleiflex, etc.] for very specific reasons." It's an argument for apologists, and really doesn't carry much weight.
My Zenit EM I bought new in 1979 and still works as well as the day it came out the box,is that Leica build quality or what?
There are a number of reasons for buying a new film or digital Leica camera: because you want a modern antique, because you already have a set of lenses that fit the cameras, because money is no object and you want to try one, because you want bragging rights at the pub. The appearance of the photographs it produces is not one of them.
I suspect most photographers are not nearly as sensitive and defensive about which camera they use.What you say is a slap in the face for a lot of us who shoot tens of thousands of images a year and SEE a fair to big bit of difference in the photos.
I suspect most photographers are not nearly as sensitive and defensive about which camera they use.
Tell that to STX-1 owners.
You were the one that took us into the twilight zone by repeatedly holding up Magnum members as examples of great Leica photographers. Turns out Magnum photographers use all different type of equipment, so it is clearly not the camera that make the difference.
There is plenty of hyperbole on both sides of the discussion.It's just disappointing to see this recurring theme of Leica bashing based on nothing but hyperbole.
Having read your contributions to this and other threads, I take that as a compliment.No. I'm telling that to you.
You simply have no real clue.
This is false, whether it is on film or digital, there is a noticable difference in the resulting photographs...
What you say is a slap in the face for a lot of us who shoot tens of thousands of images a year and SEE a fair to big bit of difference in the photos.
I believe the term he used was "gusto".What next, Leica glow?
You can tell which end the gust is blowing from.I believe the term he used was "gusto".
Six pages and no one has answered the question posed in David's first sentence.Well, this HAS been stimulating! See what you started David! Forty lashes with a wet film leader.
Six pages and no one has answered the question posed in David's first sentence.
The OPs question was are film Leicas economically viable ("analogue", "MP"). In other words if there was no Leica digital camera in M-mount, would the film versions survive independently on their own merits?If Leica was not economically viable, the cameras would not continue to be made.
If Leica was not economically viable, the cameras would not continue to be made.
The OPs question was are film Leicas economically viable ("analogue", "MP"). In other words if there was no Leica digital camera in M-mount, would the film versions survive independently on their own merits?
I have my doubts. First, when film had no competition Leica shot itself in the foot by bringing out a Leica CL compact in competition with its own M5. Then it farmed production out to Canada. Then production methods became economically motivated. This ultimately resulted in the necessity for a takeover of the company. Secondly, the planet is awash in old high quality M-mount cameras at a fraction of new price, and no shortage of independent specialists to keep them running. Given that reality, the desire for new Leica M-series film bodies with future proof maintenance probably isn't motivated by pragmatism, which I think was David's original point. This is underlined by the quirky, often bonkers things the company do to rejuvenate a camera line up that was once a byword for austere and uncompromising quality.If Leica film cameras were not economically viable, the film cameras would not continue to be made.
Yeah, it's just that kind of comment that perpetuates the whole dentist meme.You can tell which end the gust is blowing from.
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