Leica M5 vs Nikon S3 2000

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I grew up with the “Contax grip”- my IIa was one of the first “good” cameras I could afford, so I feel right at home with the SP ergonomics.
 

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The Leica M5 is a fine camera, but they never sold many, meaning nowadays parts are scarce or completely unavailable. Undoubtedly some technicians will still have a few parts left, but when they're gone they're gone. This is why Dan Goldberg (DAG) no longer services M5's. So buy an M5 that's had a very recent CLA and if done right it should be good for twenty years. Compared with the S3 it's like a Rolls Royce compared with a BMW, both good cars but it's the small things that make the feel different. And with an M5 you have a vast range of lenses both old and new, but that goes for any other Leica M so if potential problems with servicing worry you perhaps think of another model.
 

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I think DAG actually did not want to deal with the M5 anymore, because it IS more complicated than a basic M. But Zacks Camera Repair is your man.
I'm happy with my M5 - new RF splitter, new frame set, CLA, voltage adjusted to use modern batteries, and Zacks took care of any light leak issues. Thing is, it took A LOT of money to get it this way. More than buying a nice S2 with 50 1.4! But it is a much better camera.
 

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I grew up with the “Contax grip”- my IIa was one of the first “good” cameras I could afford, so I feel right at home with the SP ergonomics.

Yah, people think you have really bad arthritis when they see you using a Contax or Kiev. The Nikon S2/3/P etc do not require such contortions.
 

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Given the choice, I'd go for the Nikon. Those are pretty darn nice.
 

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The perfect Nikon RF, for me, is the S2 with the S3 shutter speed dial.
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Sounds like the perfect Nikon rangefinder is an S4 - other than the S3 frame lines.

 

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I don't know much about the Nikon Rangefinders. Do they have a built in light meter?

Although the Leica M5 does have a built in light meter, it is not nearly as useful as one might expect...I'll skip over the reasons for now because they're not that important.
To my mind, the real beauty of the Leica M5 is the fact that both aperture and shutter speed are displayed in the viewfinder. This aspect alone, even ignoring the nearly useless light meter is a huge plus for the M5. It has pretty good ergonomics too.
 

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Ooooh that is so close!

From Stephen Gandy's site:

"Specifically, the S4 has the same body casting and as the SP and S3, but without the S3's self timer, 35 mm frameline, without the motor lug for the motor drive (although the lug could be added), and with a manually set film counter instead of an automatic film exposure counter. The S4 finder itself is the same as the S3, with the 50 and 105 framelines, but without the 35 frame on the outer edges. Neither cameras had parallax correction for the framelines. The S4 was produced only with cloth shutter curtains. "
 

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Hmmm....no parallax correction? score another point for Leica.
 

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Hmmm....no parallax correction? score another point for Leica.

Wrong model for parallax correction. That would be the SP.

SLR - score one for Nikon! More like a spike through Leica's heart.
 

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SLR - score one for Nikon! More like a spike through Leica's heart.

no doubt but not really relevant to the topic of discussion in this thread.
Any Leica rangefinder feels like a very expensive toy compared to any Nikon Pro level SLR.
 

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Nikon S3 is one of the rare super reliable cameras. You will likely NEVER need to service it. Its only downside is the faint patch. I love both my BP S3 nikons.

The M5 is serviceable, totally. It’s just that it’s fiddly, there’s always something, a small part getting lost, the battery chamber is super fiddly. I believe Don Goldberg just had enough of returns to re-fix the fiddly M5 parts. Stupid stuff such as a plastic iso window getting lost. The plastic tip of the winding lever getting lost and so on. The take up spool cracking...

I love the M5. At one point I was this close to sell my MP’s in order to go full M5 but I backed only because I love BP cameras too much, and I dislike how black chrome wears. I wear out my cameras quickly.
 

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I always said, the S3, SP and S2 BP are the best looking cameras ever. Followed closely by the Silver M5.
 

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I always wanted a Nikon but in a fit of practicality chose Leica just because of the amount of different lenses. If i didnt like ultrawides tho and just wanted a wide and / or standard lens those Nikons look total baller.
 

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Wrong model for parallax correction. That would be the SP.

SLR - score one for Nikon! More like a spike through Leica's heart.

Not really seeing that Leica is still making and selling RF cameras, both film and digital, for a profit.

Nikon no longer sells any film cameras, no matter what type, and is soon to abandon their DSLRs for mirrorless cameras.

Guess what a Leica RF camera is? Yup, a mirrorless camera.
 

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The light meter in my M5 is perfect. Use it all the time with zero issues. Not sure why yours is useless - is it broken?

Brought to you via the glorious meter in the M5:




 

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A Leica
Guess what a Leica RF camera is? Yup, a mirrorless camera.

What?

If you take out the mirror from the Leica, it is not a Rangefinder anymore.

A Rangefinder camera, any, is not a mirrorless camera.
 

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A Leica


What?

If you take out the mirror from the Leica, it is not a Rangefinder anymore.

A Rangefinder camera, any, is not a mirrorless camera.

Of course it is. There is no big flapping mirror that needs to get out of the way before it can take a photo
 

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A Leica


What?

If you take out the mirror from the Leica, it is not a Rangefinder anymore.

A Rangefinder camera, any, is not a mirrorless camera.
Of course it is. There is no big flapping mirror that needs to get out of the way before it can take a photo

No. You are just trying to set your own rules now.

The reality is that a Rangefinder is indeed a mirrorplus camera. If you take out the mirror from a M3, you will then create a M1. But you will have to live with the fact that a Leica M1 is not a rangefinder anymore.

By definition, a rangefinder relies on Mirrors.
 

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Definitions don't hold me back man! Especially once you get to those, shudder, digital M cameras. Those are rangefinder AND mirrorless all in one from the M240 series onwards.
The genius that is Leica.
 

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Definitions don't hold me back man! Especially once you get to those, shudder, digital M cameras. Those are rangefinder AND mirrorless all in one from the M240 series onwards.
The genius that is Leica.

But you said “RF leicas”. A “rf” Leica is mirrorplus, end of story.
If you use the Rangefinder, it is a mirror camera. Rationalize it any way you like but you can’t get past the mirror in a “Rangefinder Leica”.
 

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But you said “RF leicas”. A “rf” Leica is mirrorplus, end of story.
If you use the Rangefinder, it is a mirror camera. Rationalize it any way you like but you can’t get past the mirror in a “Rangefinder Leica”.

No, a digital M240 onwards is a mirrorless camera. Because you can take out the RF if you want and it still works perfectly. The RF is just a sweet sweet bonus.
 
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