Leica M4 Brief Walkthrough parts and functions, loading film, and using the rangefinder for those new or becoming familiar with the camera

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Since many of the same questions come up as people get into various film M cameras, I made a quick video, for those who own or are thinking about owning an M4, to provide a brief overview of the camera, it’s parts and functions, how to load film, and understanding the rangefinder patch (image coincidence).

YouTube: Leica M4: Walkthrough of Functions, Film Loading, and Focusing the Rangefinder

Hope this is useful for some folks.
 
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Another youtube post that ignores Leica's very simple instructions how to load the film. Pass.
 
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Another youtube post that ignores Leica's very simple instructions how to load the film. Pass.

People use YouTube to post their knowledge based on experience and use. Leica’s instructions from 56 years ago isn’t scripture as has been demonstrated by people using these cameras for the all of that time. The video is also just a supplement to any available manual a user might read. And as a user of these cameras for many years, that’s been my go to way of loading and has been taught to me and observed by numerous authorized Leica techs who never had a complaint about the loading method, and I’ve never had a single issue with it so will definitely stick with it.
 
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It does not follow the very simple, and illustrated, Leica instruction. All you do is drop the film in, extend it into the tulip, then close the back.
That is it.

Your method will 100% result in wasting film, and also can result in issues with film placement as the end mushroom cap of the baseplate is not there to guide it.

I have had zero failures loading film using Leica's instructions. On the other hand, at least your video is not as bad as Tamarkin - a Leica dealer no less! - who winds the film on two or three times before closing the back!

Why is it that people do not just follow Leica's instructions? It is quicker, simpler, does not waste film, and works. Has Leica's method somehow failed for you?
 
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Your method will 100% result in wasting film, and also can result in issues with film placement as the end mushroom cap of the baseplate is not there to guide it.

Not at all the case. I get 37-38 exposures on a 36 exposure role reliably. First frame is never fogged. Film placement is also never an issue specifically because of what I showed in the video i.e. checking that the film is registered on the sprockets before closing the back door.

I have had zero failures loading film using Leica's instructions. On the other hand, at least your video is not as bad as Tamarkin - a Leica dealer no less! - who winds the film on two or three times before closing the back!

Good for you. If that method works for you, use it. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
I haven't seen Tamarkin's video but I wouldn't be overly upset about them winding past a few frames either. It just doesn't matter and if that's what works reliably for them, honestly who cares? The film is loaded. Not much else really needs to be said.

Why is it that people do not just follow Leica's instructions? It is quicker, simpler, does not waste film, and works. Has Leica's method somehow failed for you?

Again, like with most things in life, you read the instructions, practice, and then find your way. Sometimes that lines up with the way something is documented and sometimes its a little different.

I went back and read the loading section in an M4 manual to see what you're perceiving as so different from the documented method. There's virtually no difference. Leica says to open the camera, set it on its top, inset the canister and pull the film across so that it falls between two of the three prongs on the take up spool, close the camera at which point Leica states that a "disk on the inner side of the baseplate will press the film into the correct position." That last part is where many find an issue. It's been well understood for many decades that Leica's engineering intent with that doesn't always equate to reality. Simply, that doesn't always work to guide the film properly (a well known issue). That's where leaving the back open for a moment longer to confirm that the film has not slipped off the wings of the take up spool and registered on the sprockets before closing the camera comes in. The method I describe solved film transport issues during loading for me completely, along with every person I've shown the method to who complained that sometimes the film would slip off the take up spool wings or not register on the sprockets. So yes, Leica's method has failed me and a lot of other people which is exactly why people iterate to find the most logical way to get it done reliably like pretty much anything else in life.

That's why they make chocolate and vanilla ice cream. Each to their own.

Exactly. Not much else to be said. It's just loading film after all.
 

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Using an M4-2, M-A, MdA, M7x2, MP, M5 Leica's very simple instructions have failed me zero times.
Hundreds of rolls of film.

But I get it, another youtube channel trying to get clicks.
 

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Of course the bait with YouTube videos is they imply a beginner won't be able to read the 'effing manual. That is the contempt they hold people in to get clicks. Avoid these junk videos and get a free manual downloaded from the internet, or if you are honourable bung the web site a donation for a clear conscience.
 
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Using an M4-2, M-A, MdA, M7x2, MP, M5 Leica's very simple instructions have failed me zero times.
Hundreds of rolls of film.

But I get it, another youtube channel trying to get clicks.
Of course the bait with YouTube videos is they imply a beginner won't be able to read the 'effing manual. That is the contempt they hold people in to get clicks. Avoid these junk videos and get a free manual downloaded from the internet, or if you are honourable bung the web site a donation for a clear conscience.

Internet culture at its best right here. People learn in different ways. YouTube is a tool. Many people prefer videos over reading manuals. These bizarre attacks about a basic video and loading film are asinine. Have a good day folks.
 

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Honestly I don't get the value of making a video about a 50 yr old camera (which i use & love)... "this is the shutter speed dial...."
Why not make a video in order to simplify something complicated?
 
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Internet culture at its best right here. People learn in different ways. YouTube is a tool. Many people prefer videos over reading manuals. These bizarre attacks about a basic video and loading film are asinine. Have a good day folks.

Learn in different ways? Or they could learn in the simple most effective way that the mfg recommends.
 

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Being older than dirt I hate YouTube videos. I haven't bothered to look at the OP's so my comments are not in anyway a nitpick of his. But I'm with Huss on this one. Younger generations can't read simple printed instructions? Do they to have someone paint them a story book to explain the most simple of instructions. I watch YouTube videos when I'm stuck on a truck or motorcycle repair. I grit my teeth and try to stay focused because it's hard. What a properly worded explanation could explain in one or two sentences takes a 15 minute video (this is me, this is a truck, this is an engine, etc, etc, etc,). And yes, why do people try to make it so hard to put film in a Leica M body. Yes your method, contrary to the folks in Germany, may work until it doesn't.
 

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Internet culture at its best right here. People learn in different ways. YouTube is a tool. Many people prefer videos over reading manuals. These bizarre attacks about a basic video and loading film are asinine. Have a good day folks.

Sorry mate, I get that it may work for you, but you are showing the wrong way to load the camera.
You want to think you are doing new users a favour, but you are doing the opposite - why teach them your bad habits?
People are calling out your misinformation, not attacking.
 

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Never owned an M4, but I'm surprises a video is needed to know how to use it. If one pays any attention to internet hype it would be expected to be made so all the controls and functions are obvious.
 
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How many pages to read on a M4 manual? Is it that hard to remember or that confusing? Now if we talk DSLR camera, it is a different story... but a M4, come on...
 

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Here's the mfgr's user manual....a whopping 31 pages cover to cover!
 

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I've never owned an M4, but the M3's I had were pretty similar. Easy enough camera to load film into if you follow the directions.

The thread seems to have drifted over to youtube videos though. I've used those repair videos and learned a lot. Same w/ bike and eBike reviews. But I've also wasted time looking at user camera reviews that nearly always leave out important information that is in the manual.

Youtube is a really quick way to see if others are having luck fixing a particular issue w/ something, and it can work just like an online forum w/ the comments at the bottom of the vids. It depends on one's interests.

When I go to youtube and look at things like race cars or new electric vehicles, the crowd there is knowledgeable. It doesn't always work like that in the photography department, although the darkroom videos are almost always good. The artist videos are VERY well made and on point. Not sure why that would be, but it's like that.
 
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The best part of youtube is unboxing videos….

actually the best thing on youtube is this one dood who eats 100 year old MREs. (meals ready to eat that the military is given). I have no idea where he gets this stuff, and I have no idea how he is still alive but it is mesmerizing viewing!

With cameras? Just look up the users’ manual written by the people who made the thing instead of someone ignoring basic instructions.
 

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Yeah, I'm a written instructions guy for most things.

I DO like photos or video for some things, where clarity comes from seeing it once, but they are only a supplement for a good user manual.

And for a Leica? I mean, I'm not a leica guy, so I've only loaded an M3 and an M5, the latter is just jam it into the tulip and go, the former is fussier, so you just follow the instructions in the book and do it carefully the first two or three times. Then you'll have the muscle memory and never have to think hard about it again.

M3s and M4s aren't exactly feature rich and difficult to understand cameras.
 

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Another youtube post that ignores Leica's very simple instructions how to load the film. Pass.
Huss, many of the younger generation can no longer read (or understand) simple instructions. Thus the need to make a youtube video. I didn't review this particular youtube (why would I??) but many of the people that make these videos evidently have never read (or can't) the manual.
 

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I spent 3 years doing what this video shows trying to load the film like this. Then one day, I can't remember how but someone mentioned something here in Photrio and I did the exact instructions as Huss mentions. And then I cried for all the hassle and wasted shots. The problem is that everyone has been conditioned to load film and advance before shutting the door that they don't believe the LITERAL instructions Leica puts on the bottom plate.
 
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