Tragically, Zeiss Milvus ZF lenses are all in medium format category in terms of size+weight, killing the primary advantage of 35mm format - portability. 600g+ for a normal f/2 prime... if I am in the mood to lug around a beast like that, I'll grab a 645 camera.
They still have the properly-sized Planars f/1.4 ZF2 for 50 and 80mm, I wonder how much worse they are vs their obese Milvus counterparts.
Guilty as charged, I am probably in that group, because I've always believed in enlargement limits for every medium.
Resolution of a lens doesn't matter as much if it's used on a low-res film.
I get the concept of total resolution (i.e. 150lp/mm lens with 100lp/mm film gives you less than 100lp/mm), it's a nuance but doesn't change much. I hope this makes sense.
The 'new' Milvus 50 Makro Planar and 35mm f2 have the exact same optics as the previous ZF.2 generation.
But Zeiss' marketing department have put them in a massive shell to make them new and 'impressive' looking.
The size is unnecessary and unwarranted and for me shows that they have lost their way.
I am very happy with my ZF.2 versions.
Henning, your posts are always entertaining to read. Your industry insights and your enthusiasm for film and for photography in general is contagious! I am sensing a potential Youtube star!
... or one can say it's a disease and the industry is ill and in denial. Their market keeps shrinking (because smartphones) and they're frantically reacting to "more sharpness" signal at expense of everything else, probably because they're not getting any other inputs. The way I see it, their offerings get heavier, more expensive and less useful, reducing their market even further. If Sigma/Tamron/Zeiss/Nikon want me to lug around a 600g prime, they have to pay me, not charge me.
Thank god for Voigtlander.
I am briefly tempted by the Leica 50 Apo Summicron whenever I see a used one at a decent price.
But then I google pics taken by it on film, and frankly see zero advantage or difference when using this lens on film. Which is what I would be doing.
Which makes me happy as I should not even be thinking about buying the lens!
Same thing with the new 35mm Apo Summicron. A waste on film.
I'd appreciate it if they pushed the envelope of value down so more people can use their great products.
Back to the APO Summicrons, yeah I don't see the advantage.
They did it with the Summarits - nobody bought them. Apparently, most people don't want a less expensive Leica product since they assume that means it is cheaply made and performs poorly.
That thread is something, isn’t it?You might change your mind if you head on over to the Leica User's Forum and see the stunning pics of dog poop or pet chickens.
It certainly isThat thread is something, isn’t it?
C'mon. Those Summarits were all 2.4! At the time they were competing with some excellent Zeiss glass, pretty decent Voigtlander, and used Leica lenses from their whole history. A $2000 2.4 50mm lens vs a $700ish 50/2 Planar with a stellar reputation...I can do the math there. Now if all the Summarits cost around $1200, you might convince someone picking up a used M6 or M4 at the time it would be worth having some good Leica glass...but in true Leica fashion, they over reach on price. It can't just be expensive, it has to be stupid expensive. Does Nikon make an F6 for $2700? Well our MP that we ripped the meter out of and sealed up the battery chamber is gonna be $5200. Now as Henning said they sell every single one they make apparently so what do they care? I don't. The M4 is a fantastic value, as is the M4P, M4-2, etc... Plus now you can have a compact 50/1.2 with a pretty stellar reputation. I'd think about switching but honestly the AF-D lenses are about as good as the vintage line CV lenses that I like so much, and they cost so little...
As I said earlier, the 50mm definitely overreached in terms of price. It wasn't that far off a Summicron v5. The 35mm was a better deal and a great lens. The 75mm was excellent too.
I'm pretty sure we'll never see a new $700 lens with the Leica name on it.
... or one can say it's a disease and the industry is ill and in denial. Their market keeps shrinking (because smartphones) and they're frantically reacting to "more sharpness" signal at expense of everything else, probably because they're not getting any other inputs. The way I see it, their offerings get heavier, more expensive and less useful, reducing their market even further. If Sigma/Tamron/Zeiss/Nikon want me to lug around a 600g prime, they have to pay me, not charge me.
They did it with the Summarits - nobody bought them. Apparently, most people don't want a less expensive Leica product since they assume that means it is cheaply made and performs poorly.
Right, I said the same thing about the Summarit 50 vs the Summicron a couple of times in this thread. The 35mm was a better deal than the 50, IMHO.Problem with the Summarits was they weren't cheap enough compared to the Summicron. The Summicron 50 v5 was only a few hundred dollars more, and with that you got f2 and a much higher level of fit and finish.
And you could buy a used/like new Summicron V5 for less than a new Summarit 50.
As a previous owner of the new Summarit lenses I can say from experience that while optically they were superb, mechanically they definitely did not match Leica's build and material quality of their regular line lenses.
They don't even match Voigtlander's latest M mount releases in build/fit and finish.
No, but if they want me to consider a $2000 lens it better at least be 2.0 otherwise what's the point? People tend to leave the ground and float in the clouds when we talk Leica and prices but I could pick up some pretty sweet AF glass for that price. 2 or maybe 3 used Sigma ART lenses for my Nikon...if I liked carrying cinderblocks around.
The Leica does not have to be x times better optically because for the price you are also getting a lens that is x times smaller. As you say, Sigma ART lenses are great but are cinderblocks. That in itself has a price. Maybe not for everyone but for those buying a Leica lens it does have quite a bit.
I think a lot of people bypass the size issues because they compare Leica lenses when used on mirrorless cameras or coming from an SLR perspective. The size of a lens on an M body is not just a handling issue, the lens intrudes into the viewfinder. The CV 35/1.2 is a fantastic lens for little money yet not only is it heavy, it blocks a fair bit of the finder. Some, like myself, find that very annoying so that has a "price" when selecting what lens to buy. Leica makes smaller lenses than anyone else for a given f-stop. We could argue about diminishing returns but that is a relative thing for each individual, a bit like paying 10/20/30k extra for a car to shave a fraction or two of a second in acceleration.
film_man, I agree, having a lens blocking the viewfinder is a nonsense. But paying an indecent amount of money to get a lens not intruding in the VF is also a nonsense.
It is all relative. Some people (in this forum, just look at some of the threads) think anyone buying anything pricier than a $50 50/1.8 is just self gratifying nonsense for posers. $5-10k for a lens is a lot for you and me but there are plenty of people with Ferraris and Rolexes.
.. Especially with their current lens line up which puts the ZM Zeiss line up to shame (with the exception of the best 35/1.4 ever made, the current Distagon...also way too big, but gobsmackingly good).
Why in the heck did they kill their film camera line???
It is not really what I mean. To me, a RF lens blocking the view is a nonsense, whatever the price (people complain about SLR finder not showing the whole negative but when it comes to RF, it looks almost normal NOT to see part of the image. Go figure...). It should be a basic feature. Asking me to pay (much) more to get what should come first, no way.
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