Legacy Pro films.

[tony lockerbie]

I've noticed that these films are very reasonably priced, and also understand that the 100 is actually Fuji Across. Can anyone tell me what the 400 is?
Thanks.

 

[CuS]

it is

neopan 400

 

[alapin]

I believe that Legacy Pro 400 is Fuji Neopan 400.

 

[2F/2F]

Per some retailer that knows for sure:

Legacy Pro 100 = Fuji Neopan 100 Acros
Legacy Pro 400 = Fuji Neopan 400

Legacy pro wasn't worth getting too excited about till they recently lowered the prices. The 100 is now only $2 a roll and the 400 is $3 a roll, putting them in line with Arista Premium with the 100 speed, and 50% more expensive than Arista premium with the 400 speed.

P.S. Talked to Freestyle the other day. As soon as their current stock of 120 format 100 Acros is sold, they move to five packs only. The 400 is gone as far as they know.

 

[5stringdeath]

I love the Legacy Pro 400 .... also shot some 100 which is nice too, but I'm a 400asa handheld kinda person.

 

[DLM]

If you want it a bit cheaper, they offer the 20 packs also.

 

[Christiaan Phleger]

I shoot lots of Neo 400 and have recently shot 100 + rolls of the Legacy Pro 400 and it is indeed Neo 400, however, it does look like older stock. The edge code of the LP shows 271 and the last Fuji Neo 400 I used was 286 or so. Has been at least a few years since I was down in the 270's range. Tiny tiny bit of base fog, totally imperceptible if you didn't know it and didn't have other rolls to compare it to. Me thinks that Fuji took its older master roll and cut it down for FS. Its good stuff, I remember years ago when Fuji gave FS a huge discount on bulk rolls of Neo 400 and I snatched up 100 ft rolls, cases of 20, 2 or 3 cases at a time, at 18.00 a roll which was 1/2 of what I could get at B&H. Same thing, tiny bit of fog. BTW those fuji bulk rolls are longer, you get a full 20 rolls out of each roll, using Watson roller and going a full rotation of sprocket clicks and then plus 3 clicks for the 'head and tail', not like the Kodak roll which gave you 18 and a 20 exp frame, same sprocket count. So that gave me Neo 400 at less than 1.00 per roll.

 

[brianmquinn]

It is supposed to be a secret!
In the age of the internet do you want someone to be able to Google "Legacy Pro" and find it is made my Fuji? If Fuji figures that the big shooters of film know it is Fuji then they will lose sales (and profits) fast and will stop offering re-branded film. So do your own tests and trials and keep your conclusions to yourself. The race to the bottom in terms of price and quality will only result in no film at all.

 

[ic-racer]

Coincidentally, I just plotted out a film curve for Legacy Pro 400 in T-max developer a few moments ago. I got a speed about one-third to two-thirds of a stop less then T-max 400 in T-max developer. The curves are different shapes, but that is with both processed to a gamma around 0.6 to 0.7.

Thats at a one second exposure. I have yet to test them at 1/100 sec. but I suspect most of that speed loss to T-max is from a poorer reciprocity of Legacy Pro. Which is to say I'll bet at 1/100 sec they will be closer to each other.

I have never tried Fuji film, so can't compare the Legacy Pro curve to Fuji.

 

[tony lockerbie]

Thanks everyone. Yep, I know that it is supposed to be a "secret" but it is still nice to know what you are getting. As mentioned, the price is now very tempting.
Cheers,
Tony

 

[Christiaan Phleger]

I just dove into my freezer to see what the code was for some of the final bulk rolls of Neo 400 that I stocked up on when they announced that format being discontinued, I bought it fresh in either 06 or 07, its code is 289 and exp. date is 2008/9, so I think the current LP films are just a bit older....

 

[Nicholas Lindan]

I just plotted out a film curve for Legacy Pro 400 in T-max developer a few moments ago. I got a speed about one-third to two-thirds of a stop less then T-max 400

That is the consensus opinion of most people who have shot both films. Fuji has a history of being optimistic on the speeds for their black and white products. It may be they use a JIS standard that differs slightly from ISO and ASA.

 

[Worker 11811]

I just got a bulk roll of Legacy Pro 100 this week. Just went out and shot a bunch of it this past Saturday.
This is my first time out of the gate with Legacy Pro 100 and this is what I got from it:

I still want to tweak my development a bit.
I developed this for 9 1/2 minutes in XTOL 1:1. I think I'll try developing it for 8 1/2 minutes next time.

Other than that, I am certainly pleased with my results. It certainly gives workable negatives without a lot of trouble.

I'd buy it again. (Probably will! )

 

[mablo]

I've been using LegacyPro 400 for the last year or so. Both in bulk rolls and cassettes. A few months ago I ordered a brick of real Neopan 400 and had a chance to compare them side by side. When I had a roll of Neopan 400 and LegacyPro 400 at the same time in my changing bag I swear I could tell which is which by fingering both films. Neopan 400 base feels a bit thinner and more pliable and it's easier to handle with SS reels. When developing both rolls at the same time I couldn't see any difference so I'd assume that the film base might be a little bit different but emulsion is definitely the same.

 

[sandermarijn]

Neopan 400 base feels a bit thinner and more pliable and it's easier to handle with SS reels. When developing both rolls at the same time I couldn't see any difference so I'd assume that the film base might be a little bit different but emulsion is definitely the same.

I concur. Legacy Pro 400 feels thicker and, in my case, shows more deficiencies than Neopan 400. Neopan 400 is completely clean, Legacy Pro has sometimes a hole or a scratch. But, again, these findings may be just me and my limited experience.

In any case, for the small difference in price (20% in Europe) I will rather go with the real thing.

Does not Fuji (Fujifilm, alright) advertise with super-smooth film transport for Neopan 400? Maybe this feature was dropped for Legacy Pro, hence the thicker feel of that film? Sounds plausible, but no more than guessing.

I've never been quite happy with relabelled films. The emulsion may be the same or very similar, the base and other characteristics (flaws) often are not. I've learned to rather pay a bit more for avoiding all that.

I've never tried Legacy Pro 100- can't say anything about that film vs Acros.

 

[ssloansjca]

I am shooting a lot more film now that I can get it cheaper. If cheaper film is making film go away; well I have bought about 150 rolls in the last year. I would likely not bought a third of that at the higher prices. I would have shot more digital.

My Nikon film cameras are happy!

~Steve

 

[Worker 11811]

That's hard to say. Economies of scale can make the price go down.

If you can manufacture 10 widgets per day by hand, automating the widget-making process might let you produce 1,000 widgets per day. You would spend more money on equipment for producing widgets but the price to produce each individual widget would be cheaper. Increased sales due to the lower price will increase your income overall.

Therefore, buying cheap film might help a manufacturer stay in business. If they sell enough film, it will be cost effective to keep the factory producing film even at a lower price. If they don't sell enough film they will either have to shut down the production line or they will have to resort to making film in batches and shutting down the line between batches. The price of film will go up and up because it is less cost effective to make it. Sales will do down due to the higher price and, eventually, they will have to stop making film all together when it becomes unprofitable.

Bottom line: Buy more film, regardless of the price.

 

[wotalegend]

Make the most of it while you can.....

Just received my latest order from Freestyle today (LA to Melbourne, delivered in 4 days - not bad) which contained Freestyle's sheet of clearance items, subtitled "The following items are discontinued and will no longer be available at Freestyle once sold out..." ALL variations of Legacy Pro film are included on the list: 24 & 36 exposures, 20 roll packs, 100 ft rolls, ISO 100 & 400. Lucky my order included 20 rolls of each.

 

[C A Sugg]

I also noticed a length-wise scratch on a roll of Legacy-Pro 400. (24 ex factory load) I assumed it was the camera. Sad, because otherwise they look really nice. (exposed as ISO 200, Rodinal 1:50 8 Min.)

 

[stevebrot]

Just received my latest order from Freestyle today (LA to Melbourne, delivered in 4 days - not bad) which contained Freestyle's sheet of clearance items, subtitled "The following items are discontinued and will no longer be available at Freestyle once sold out..." ALL variations of Legacy Pro film are included on the list: 24 & 36 exposures, 20 roll packs, 100 ft rolls, ISO 100 & 400. Lucky my order included 20 rolls of each.

That sounds grim. I prefer the Legacy Pro 100 in 35mm to the Arista EDU Ultra. Time to place an order, I guess...


Steve

 

[MartinCrabtree]

I'm glad and sorry to hear that at the same time. I'm getting ready to begin developing and had chosen that film as the one I could afford to use for a year. But I'm happy I didn't start before hearing it was going away.

 

[stevebrot]

I just spoke on the telephone to Emily at Freestyle and she assured me that despite the current "clearance" pricing, Legacy Pro is still on their product list for the foreseeable future and is not discontinued. Whew!


Steve

 

[MartinCrabtree]

Oh great! Now I'm really confused.

 

[stevebrot]

Oh great! Now I'm really confused.

Just buy a WHOLE bunch and you will be fine! I am only half kidding. If you already know that you like the material, buy what you estimate would be a year's supply now and shoot until it is gone. If it is no longer available at that time, at least you have had the advantage of learning on the cheap.

If you are set up to roll your own with a bulk loader, the cost per roll from a 100' roll is silly cheap (about $1.20 USD per roll). If you don't bulk load, the price per roll is still quite reasonable in the 20 pack ($1.75 USD per roll).

Steve

 

[Worker 11811]

I just sent an order for some paper and some toner in to Freestyle, just today. While I was there, I figured, "What the hell?" so I added in a reel of Legacy 100 and Legacy 400 just for good measure.

Stock up! The cost of film is cheap compared to the cost of that one image you don't get because you don't have any film on hand.