Hmmmm, where could I find some leaders of developed Tri-X?
Haaa of course, practically anywhere in my collection of negatives - since there is almost always a leader stuck next to shot 0.
D-76 1:1 ...
B+F ... Leader density above B+F ... description
0.27 ... 1.39 ... October 2005 Max and Nick
0.27 ... 1.92 ... 2005 LA Drive
0.39 ... 2.02 ... 2013 Hike and Rocket building
Dektol 1:9 ...
0.21 ... 1.82 ... Sensitometry seeking max grain
Something worth considering, which I believe someone else mentioned earlier on in the thread, is that since we never measure the amount of exposure the leader receives, we can't really conclude anything about the resulting developed density. What if it receives enough exposure so that it enters the reversal region of the curve? How do you know what exposure will lead to d-max?
I can tell you for example, when plotting curves using increasing, known exposures extending to the point where the shoulder is flat, I have sometimes had those densities measure higher than the leader density.
In any case, it is good Fred seems to have solved his problem. I would say however, that teacher you had in school taught some bad, meaningless lessons with his negative density "criteria".
For the fun of it, I've mixed two new packets of D-76 (same batch #) at the same temperature, one in tap water, one in some unopened distilled water from the local drugstore, and will try both of them on some Tri-X. What will this prove? Zilch since the distilled water isn't the Kroger stuff Fred used, but I figure why not try it anyway. I've done this experiment before with XTOL and some other developers but not D-76 or ID-11, so why not. I'll be pretty surprised if the sensitometric results are any different within experimental error. But you never know.
As promised, I ran some periodic tests with PX125 test strips: 6' in D76 @ 68F, stopped and fixed normally. The D76 was mixed with Kroger distilled water and decanted into brown glass bottles topped off and sealed with Saran wrap. I mixed the batch on 4/13 and created a reference test strip and then measured each strip with a Luna Pro meter as a crude transmission densitometer. The test strips were clipped from a bulk roll and exposed to daylight for a period of about 30 seconds then processed in a closed tank.
Here are the results:
[date] [meter reading] [net density difference]
[4/13] [15 1/3] [Reference]
[4/14] [16] [2/3 stop less density]
[4/25] [17] [1 2/3 stops less density]
[4/28] [17 1/3] [2 stops less density]
As indicated, 76 is steadily losing activity. Edit: I can't seem to get the data to tab correctly after posting. The numbers are 15 1/3, 16, 17 and 17 1/3.
Update: just ran another snip test with a batch of 76 (approx. two weeks older and mixed with bottled drinking water); registered a 15 2/3 reading. Obviously, my Kroger DW comes fortified with developer killer! Dumped yet another gallon of 76! I'm done!
This is really, REALLY strange.
I finished the tests I was going to do but didn't do the densitometry yet. A bunch of Tri-X rolls (new, same batch number). The developers were all 1l packets of D-76 from the same recent batch. One mixed with tap water, one with "steam distilled" water from the local drugstore (ozonated - not that this makes any difference at all but anyhow). And for good measure, 1l scratch-mixed D-76 in the distilled water for the fun of it.
Congratulate me - in the 25-30 odd years I've been photographing this is the first time I've ever used Tri-X.
Every time I visit this thread the famous Tallulah Bankhead quote keeps popping into my head. "There is less to this than meets the eye."
Every time I read a comment such as this it reminds me of the saying, "If you don't have anything constructive to offer, then...."
I'm trying to resolve a frustrating issue here.
I was attempting to humorously point out that this is really a non-issue. Nobody does anything with leaders. You are worried about an observation made from a group of non-reproducible results. People including myself have offered constructive ideas. Suggestions are either ignored or don't fit your observation. If you are concerned then do a series of controlled experiments. I am sure that people will be able to offer you suggestions on how to design these experiments. Then do you see any difference in your negatives? They are the only things that matter.
BTW neither Rodinal nor D-76 produce full emulsion speed. You need a developer containing either Phenidone or a phenidone derivative.
I have been formally trained in DOE techniques and the Shainin Methods/Tools.
Out of curiosity, I purchased these pH test strips specifically designed for use in water
and checked two gallon bottles of the steam-distilled water I've always used to mix and dilute XTOL. One bottle was in my home for quite a few months and almost empty. The second gallon was newly purchased and full. In both cases, pH tested as 4.
I'm curious. What would the chemists here suggest for adjusting pH to 7 before using the water? Might that buffer cause issues with XTOL? I've had no problems using the acidic distilled water, but am academically interested whether any sensitometric changes could be seen if it were first brought to neutral pH.
Does that mean that, if I add a very, very small amount of baking soda to the new gallon of steam-distilled water, its pH will rise to 7? If so, roughly how much baking soda?Distilled water has no buffer capacity. A VERY, VERY SMALL amount of an acid or base can cause a large deviation from a neutral pH...
My distilled water was about 5.0 and killed my XTOL in a week or so
Does that mean that, if I add a very, very small amount of baking soda to the new gallon of steam-distilled water, its pH will rise to 7? If so, roughly how much baking soda?
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