Yes. Ilford PanF+ is known for losing a significant amount of its latent image over a period of months. So I could easily believe that over decades, latent images might have completely vanished.
Mark
PanF+ is a good example but I suspect it will also lose its sensitivity almost entirely and you would not get any image from PanF+ expired by 50 years.
It'll lose its latent image a lot faster than it will lose speed
I've noted dramatic latent image deterioration on C41 film as well.
To my knowledge Ilford did not put frame numbers on Selochrome type 120 film.Did the developed Selochrome show any frame numbers
Thank you for the reference. There are also papers by K.V. Chibisov et. al. on the latent image formation published in 1973 in the The Journal of Photographic Science. This is a translation of the original paper written in Russian so could be a bit hard to read.this article by L.M. Slifkin (1972) gives a somewhat readable overview
Thank you Matt, this is very helpful. So basically, the frame numbers are exposed to get the maximum density or close to it. One can potentially measure the density on a historical negative that was developed soon after exposure and that on "mystery" film to estimate the rate of decay. There will be massive spread in the data, but still.The most frequently encountered example of latent images "fading" can be seen in the edge printing on films. Those numbers, symbols and letters are exposed at the time of manufacture. Relatively speaking, they receive a lot of exposure.
Thank you Matt, this is very helpful. So basically, the frame numbers are exposed to get the maximum density or close to it. One can potentially measure the density on a historical negative that was developed soon after exposure and that on "mystery" film to estimate the rate of decay. There will be massive spread in the data, but still.
what makes Pan F so different from other films that it's notorious for rapid loss of latent images?
Agree. Controlled artificial ageing of Pan F might be a better experiment. If Pan F is stored at room temperature how long would it take for the latent images to decay noticeably? The fog will increase of course but it would be interesting to measure the decrease of the highlights density as well.I wouldn't bother
The best way to test Pan F plus for fading is load a camera with a 36 exposure roll and take a photo of the same test card (under the same light) once a month or so. Your last exposure would be made 3 years after the first.
To do this properly one will need a sensitometer, a densitometer, good laboratory skills and plenty of free time.
I was going to suggest a similar experiment. You expose N identical frames on fresh film, store it, develop one frame each month and observe the rate of latent image decay. You might need a control group, probably frozen unexposed film from the same batch. You then expose one frame each month and develop together with one of the previously exposed frames. To do this properly one will need a sensitometer, a densitometer, good laboratory skills and plenty of free time.
3 years! I'll need to consult my actuaryThe best way to test Pan F plus for fading is load a camera with a 36 exposure roll and take a photo of the same test card (under the same light) once a month or so. Your last exposure would be made 3 years after the first.
3 years!
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