Kodak Tri-x Price Drops

wblynch · Jun 20, 2014

In California you can buy a new Fiat 500-E for $20,000 after federal and state credits. But it doesn't run on TRI-X either...

Kawaiithulhu · Jun 20, 2014

Need to start a new subculture: Analog Dash Cam

removed account4 · Jun 20, 2014

StoneNYC said:
Tesla power stations run on solar energy IIRC, it does not cost any kind of fuel to burn to make power.

the person i know who has a tesla charges it at their home, which is NOT solar powered. it is connected to the grid like everyone else.

mopar_guy · Jun 20, 2014

I thought that 20% of US electrical power comes from nuclear power. The spent fuel from our electrical usage will be sitting around long after I am dead.

Tom1956 · Jun 20, 2014

Is there a decent 200 speed film in 100ft rolls at a favorable price?

Nuff · Jun 21, 2014

Tom1956 said:
Is there a decent 200 speed film in 100ft rolls at a favorable price?

Fomapan? It's even cheaper under Arista brand.

Tom1956 · Jun 21, 2014

Nuff said:
Fomapan? It's even cheaper under Arista brand.

Can you provide a link to these brands as 100ft rolls? I'm not getting it on a web search. What I'm thinking is a compromise on the grain of 400 and the disappointing speed of 100. Thanks.

Xmas · Jun 21, 2014

Tom1956 said:
Is there a decent 200 speed film in 100ft rolls at a favorable price?

Or 400 foot of 5222...

Ricardo Miranda · Jun 21, 2014

Tom,
Look here: http://www.freestylephoto.biz/190210-Arista-EDU-Ultra-200-ISO-35mm-x-100-ft.

StoneNYC · Jun 21, 2014

Tom1956 said:
Can you provide a link to these brands as 100ft rolls? I'm not getting it on a web search. What I'm thinking is a compromise on the grain of 400 and the disappointing speed of 100. Thanks.

Many find FOMA to be contrasty, you may enjoy FOMA400 shot at 200

Good luck!

Arista edu is rebranded FOMA and can be gotten on the freestyle photo website linked by the other poster.

Tom1956 · Jun 21, 2014

StoneNYC said:
Many find FOMA to be contrasty, you may enjoy FOMA400 shot at 200

Good luck!

Arista edu is rebranded FOMA and can be gotten on the freestyle photo website linked by the other poster.

Those that find the 200 stuff to "be contrasty", I wonder what developers they're using to come to this conclusion. My developer of choice is metol-only, specifically Microdol Homebrew. By "contrasty" I take that to mean they're having a hard time pulling 10 continuous zones out of it before they go past the toe and shoulder respectively, of the film curve. I really would like to keep my speed at a 200 with 35mm because of the grain situation, and as a compromise on film speed. It's no fun shooting hand held when you're having to go down to 1/30 and 5.6 when it's still daytime.

wblynch · Jun 21, 2014

Diafine will tame that contrast.

StoneNYC · Jun 21, 2014

Tom1956 said:
Those that find the 200 stuff to "be contrasty", I wonder what developers they're using to come to this conclusion. My developer of choice is metol-only, specifically Microdol Homebrew. By "contrasty" I take that to mean they're having a hard time pulling 10 continuous zones out of it before they go past the toe and shoulder respectively, of the film curve. I really would like to keep my speed at a 200 with 35mm because of the grain situation, and as a compromise on film speed. It's no fun shooting hand held when you're having to go down to 1/30 and 5.6 when it's still daytime.

I don't know... Rodinal for me 1:50 at listed times/temp no deviation...

I only have 100 speed to compare, but these are my examples of FOMA100 shot at 100

markaudacity · Jun 21, 2014

Have you tried Tmax or Delta? They both have finer grain at 400 than Fomapan will at 200.

ISO 200 is such a middle child. It's not the right speed for anything, and it isn't different enough in most cases from a 100 or 400 to bother with.

Tom1956 · Jun 21, 2014

I'm not familiar with the Ilford films. Is Delta 400, for instance a T-grain film and HP5 a regular film like Tri-X? And if so, would the Delta be available in 100 foot rolls? I roll my own because I can do things like roll off 8, 10, or 12 for a quickie test or something I want to shoot and get the film back out of the camera. I don't like 36 exp rolls because you can have roll in the camera so long you lose interest in the pictures you shot. Out of sight, out of mind, so to speak. There's alwasy a tendency for me to pick up a camera that has had film in it a month and purly waste the last half or third on shooting worthless things, just to burn it up. Wasteful.

Edit: I see Delta 400 at Adorama 100 ft. at $62. I can live with that, if the grain is good. I'm turning back from the bigger cameras back to my new F2S, but don't want to pay for it with grain any more than necessary. Thanks.

kb3lms · Jun 21, 2014

You will like Delta 400. It is a wonderful film.

Richard S. (rich815) · Jun 21, 2014

I like Delta 400 a lot but will admit found it a bit challenging to get the tone and contrast I liked but once I dialed it in with HC-110 I've been very pleased with it. I shoot it mostly in medium format now and shot a friend's wedding with my Hasselblad and the results were gorgeous (no I'm not a pro and rarely shoot weddings). Here's one nice image I did with my Canonet in 35mm:

SF Chinatown Canonet Delta400 HC110dilB7-5min 12-2005 07 by rich8155 (Richard Sintchak), on Flickr

Tom1956 · Jun 21, 2014

Well for those shopping on price, I've found Ultrafine Xtreme 400 for about 30 bucks for 100 ft. I know nothing about it, but searching reviews has turned up comments on Photonet or Rangefinder forum I think, and I'm not seeing a big round of applause on it.

Roger Cole · Jun 22, 2014

Tom1956 said:
Just googled up 100 feet of Tri-X, TM 400, and HP5 prices. The HP5 I can get for $55 for my new F2S sweetie. Tell me again now--why should I be buying the higher-price US film? Because I'm loyal? Not feeling a lot of luv here. Seems like my loyalty and 10 dollars gets me a cup of coffee and a doughnut.

The price difference in 35mm is inconsequential in pre loaded cassettes. I gave up bulk loading as too much extra PITA for the minimal savings even before the price increases. If course you do still save a few bucks with Ilford but still not like the old days, nor worth it IMHO.

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Roger Cole · Jun 22, 2014

I agree about loading short rolls being convenient but what I do with 36s is note the next frame, rewind and remove leaving a bit of leader and write that frame # on it. Then later I reload it and with lens cap on wind off that many plus one frame and in good to go with a single frame wasted.

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Tom1956 · Jun 22, 2014

Roger Cole said:
I agree about loading short rolls being convenient but what I do with 36s is note the next frame, rewind and remove leaving a bit of leader and write that frame # on it. Then later I reload it and with lens cap on wind off that many plus one frame and in good to go with a single frame wasted.

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I've done that too. Sure runs up a cycle count on the camerra though. I've also shot a dozen or so frames, gone into the darkroom to cut the film in the camera, pushed the rewind button and pulled the film off the take-up reel and loaded it in a tank, and saved the rest of the roll for later. But my favorite method for short lengths is to just roll off 15 turns of the Lloyds and load the roll in the camera, just barely enough to know the film leader won't pull back out of the take-up reel slot, and advanced 1 1/2 flips of the wind lever, starting at 0 on the counter. My first exposure is barely 1/8 inch away from black film leader. All you lose is about 5 inches at most. I just don't like leaving loaded cameras laying around. It could go off accidentally, and something or somebody could get shot.

Ricardo Miranda · Jun 22, 2014

Tom1956 said:
I'm not familiar with the Ilford films. Is Delta 400, for instance a T-grain film and HP5 a regular film like Tri-X? And if so, would the Delta be available in 100 foot rolls? I roll my own because I can do things like roll off 8, 10, or 12 for a quickie test or something I want to shoot and get the film back out of the camera. I don't like 36 exp rolls because you can have roll in the camera so long you lose interest in the pictures you shot. Out of sight, out of mind, so to speak. There's alwasy a tendency for me to pick up a camera that has had film in it a month and purly waste the last half or third on shooting worthless things, just to burn it up. Wasteful.

Edit: I see Delta 400 at Adorama 100 ft. at $62. I can live with that, if the grain is good. I'm turning back from the bigger cameras back to my new F2S, but don't want to pay for it with grain any more than necessary. Thanks.

Ilford Delta is a CCG film. Only Kodak films are T-grain as that is a Kodak trademark.
Fomapan 200 is a compromise between traditional and "tabular" grain. This is what the grain looks like under a microscope: https://www.flickr.com/photos/fotohuisrovo/556599703/
An example shot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jokerphotography/5159325023/

markaudacity · Jun 22, 2014

I'm not familiar with the term CCG?

Roger Cole · Jun 22, 2014

Controlled Crystal Growth. But essentially yes, Delta 400 is a "new tech" film closest to TMY and HP5+ is more comparable to Tri-X. Delta 400 is not as fine grained as TMY but finer than Tri-X or HP5+. Like other "new style" films it's responsive to development and may take more dialing in but it's a nice film. You'll provably like it.

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Ricardo Miranda · Jun 22, 2014

Mark, see this: http://www.harmantechnology.com/DotNetNuke/Technology/CrystalGrowth/tabid/180/Default.aspx

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