Kodak to Raise Prices on 135?

Ivo Stunga · Dec 2, 2023

Yeah.... Doesn't feel nice to be priced out of what you love.

Actually I just remembered about buymore.film site that lists films and prices, and where to buy....

Kodak Ektachrome 100D 135-36

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I gues I'll have my E-6 film soon after all!

guangong · Dec 2, 2023

Sirius Glass said:
Get out there now and buy up all the film you can and store it before the hoarders start buying. Do it now so you will not regret doing it later.

Great!

Henning Serger · Dec 2, 2023

Ivo Stunga said:
I wanted to buy an E-6 film yesterday, but the price of 27€ per single roll just put me off. At the end it's like a dollar per that tiny 135 area of film lol.

I've just recently bought fresh Provia 100F for 20€ / roll.
And with that "tiny 135 area of film" I get absolutely outstanding and breathtaking, in quality unsurpassed huge 1m x 1.5m photos in projection on my screen.
I cannot get that outstanding quality at that size with colour negative film, nor with digital (with its extremely low 2k / 4k resolution in projection).
And with slide projection I get these huge, outstanding quality pictures at ridiculously low costs! Look at what a 1m x 1.5m print would cost you.

The price-performance ratio of slide projection is absolutely outstanding and unsurpassed.

Best regards,
Henning

Alan Edward Klein · Dec 2, 2023

Checking prices from 1981, let;s say film cost US$4.00 should be $13.54 today with inflation. (239%)

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George Mann · Dec 2, 2023

Henning Serger said:
I've just recently bought fresh Provia 100F for 20€ / roll.
And with that "tiny 135 area of film" I get absolutely outstanding and breathtaking, in quality unsurpassed huge 1m x 1.5m photos in projection on my screen.
I cannot get that outstanding quality at that size with colour negative film, nor with digital (with its extremely low 2k / 4k resolution in projection).
And with slide projection I get these huge, outstanding quality pictures at ridiculously low costs! Look at what a 1m x 1.5m print would cost you.

The price-performance ratio of slide projection is absolutely outstanding and unsurpassed.

Best regards,
Henning

Projected or viewed thru a high quality loupe, its the only readily available way to see what film is really capable of.

If all one has seen is scans and DSLR images, breathtaking is an understatement!

Alan Edward Klein · Dec 2, 2023

Henning Serger said:
I've just recently bought fresh Provia 100F for 20€ / roll.
And with that "tiny 135 area of film" I get absolutely outstanding and breathtaking, in quality unsurpassed huge 1m x 1.5m photos in projection on my screen.
I cannot get that outstanding quality at that size with colour negative film, nor with digital (with its extremely low 2k / 4k resolution in projection).
And with slide projection I get these huge, outstanding quality pictures at ridiculously low costs! Look at what a 1m x 1.5m print would cost you.

The price-performance ratio of slide projection is absolutely outstanding and unsurpassed.

Best regards,
Henning

Good things come in small packages.

Drew B. · Dec 2, 2023

Their prices are already way too high and thats why I don't shoot Kodak film. Their purpose is to fully shut down film useage I believe or maybe they are just trying to be like every other business in this country raising prices for no reason...just to make more profits?

George Mann · Dec 2, 2023

Drew B. said:
Their prices are already way too high and thats why I don't shoot Kodak film. Their purpose is to fully shut down film useage I believe or maybe they are just trying to be like every other business in this country raising prices for no reason...just to make more profits?

The distributor is to blame for the inflated prices.

brbo · Dec 2, 2023

Alaris recently said that they take opportunity to lower the prices whenever they can.

Obviously, they can't just right now for 135 format and have missed every other opportunity in the last 10 years as well. Oh, well...

Alan Edward Klein · Dec 2, 2023

Drew B. said:
Their prices are already way too high and thats why I don't shoot Kodak film. Their purpose is to fully shut down film useage I believe or maybe they are just trying to be like every other business in this country raising prices for no reason...just to make more profits?

Prices are going up on everything because of inflation. Higher prices mean less demand for film which could threaten the continued manufacturer of it as profits go down as well. Manufacturers don't ordinarily shoot themselves in the foot. Inflation causes higher costs which are passed along in higher prices for their goods.

Alan Edward Klein · Dec 2, 2023

brbo said:
Alaris recently said that they take opportunity to lower the prices whenever they can.

Obviously, they can't just right now for 135 format and have missed every other opportunity in the last 10 years as well. Oh, well...

Eastman Kodak the manufacturer mark-up their film to Alaris who marks it to the distributors who mark it up to the retailers who mark it up to the final buyers. There are too many middlemen, too many markups, more than other film companies. I believe Alaris is the main culprit as they raise prices to satisfy the economic need of their pensioners who own Alaris. Other film don't have this issue.

Ivo Stunga · Dec 2, 2023

Henning Serger said:
I've just recently bought fresh Provia 100F for 20€ / roll.
And with that "tiny 135 area of film" I get absolutely outstanding and breathtaking, in quality unsurpassed huge 1m x 1.5m photos in projection on my screen.
I cannot get that outstanding quality at that size with colour negative film, nor with digital (with its extremely low 2k / 4k resolution in projection).
And with slide projection I get these huge, outstanding quality pictures at ridiculously low costs! Look at what a 1m x 1.5m print would cost you.

The price-performance ratio of slide projection is absolutely outstanding and unsurpassed.

Best regards,
Henning

100% agreed and that's why I fell in love with slides/projection, but material-wise: tiny for a pretty penny.

You, however, cannot compare a print with etherial projection - two completely different mediums.

MattKing · Dec 2, 2023

Alan Edward Klein said:
Eastman Kodak the manufacturer mark-up their film to Alaris who marks it to the distributors who mark it up to the retailers who mark it up to the final buyers. There are too many middlemen, too many markups, more than other film companies. I believe Alaris is the main culprit as they raise prices to satisfy the economic need of their pensioners who own Alaris. Other film don't have this issue.

No - other film companies just have to worry about shareholder profits.
Wait - that is what concerns Kodak Alaris as well!
Eastman Kodak have almost no marketing and distribution costs in relation to still film.
Marketing and distribution costs form a significant part of the costs of every film, from every manufacturer.

cmacd123 · Dec 2, 2023

looking at Freestyle under "ektachrome" the Kodak version is 22 bucks US and the Flic Version loaded from EASTMAN Ektachrome 100D 5294 is 18 bucks. the flic version is identical film, with different edge printing. if you can find some of the 100D that has been reloaded in your area, it will proably have a simalar price difference. I belive that Flic is also shipping to europe, but don't know if the price is competitive there.

Note that Movie Ektachrome DOES NOT have any REM-Jet.

dokko · Dec 2, 2023

cmacd123 said:
looking at Freestyle under "ektachrome" the Kodak version is 22 bucks US and the Flic Version loaded from EASTMAN Ektachrome 100D 5294 is 18 bucks. the flic version is identical film, with different edge printing.

from the data sheet, the photo Ektachrome 100D and the movie Ektachrome 100D are clearly not the same film. the curves are slightly different and the pdf of the movie version mentions that the processing chemicals will get colored (without any harmful effect).

That said, I'd expect the result to be very similar indeed and the movie version re-spooled can be found a lot cheaper (I haven't tried the movie version myself).

TomR55 · Dec 2, 2023

Alan Edward Klein said:
Prices are going up on everything because of inflation. Higher prices mean less demand for film which could threaten the continued manufacturer of it as profits go down as well. Manufacturers don't ordinarily shoot themselves in the foot. Inflation causes higher costs which are passed along in higher prices for their goods.

Maybe .... But I note that the current inflation rate in the US is 3.24% for the twelve months ending in October 2023. While I think that supply chain problems, high inflation with the end of Covid, and the disruption to many economies might have justified the business practices we saw in 2021 to early 2023, I suspect that American corporations have been milking that cow for some time now because ... well, they can. I'm no economist, but I do agree with the oft-cited "Balloon/Feather Theory, which I paraphrase: "Prices rise like a balloon, but drop like a feather."

MattKing · Dec 2, 2023

dokko said:
from the data sheet, the photo Ektachrome 100D and the movie Ektachrome 100D are clearly not the same film. the curves are slightly different and the pdf of the movie version mentions that the processing chemicals will get colored (without any harmful effect).

I've previously posted the response to this on Photrio - my extremely reliable and well informed Eastman Kodak source has already passed on the information on this - the films are functionally identical, and people using still film lengths of the motion picture version should see no differences, other than the edge printing.
The reference in the datasheet to the processing chemical coloration addresses a peculiarity that labs that specialize in motion picture film developing may observe due to switching back and forth between ECN-2 and the motion picture E6 chemicals. Essentially a "don't worry, there is nothing wrong" reassurance for labs working in that market.

MattKing · Dec 2, 2023

Here is my relevant post from back in 2022:
https://www.photrio.com/forum/threa...-bulk-availability.191009/page-3#post-2537250

dokko · Dec 3, 2023

MattKing said:
I've previously posted the response to this on Photrio - my extremely reliable and well informed Eastman Kodak source has already passed on the information on this - the films are functionally identical, and people using still film lengths of the motion picture version should see no differences, other than the edge printing.

well, they might well be "functionally identical", but that's a different statement than "the flic version is identical film".

The sensitometric density curves in the data sheets are quite a bit different. I was wondering if this is because for cinema projection a different lamp is used than for slide projection:

motion picture technical data from 2022:

https://www.kodak.com/content/products-brochures/Film/KODAK-EKTACHROME-100D-COLOR-REVERSAL-FILM-5294-7294-datasheet-EN.pdf

photo version technical data from 2018:

https://imaging.kodakalaris.com/sites/default/files/files/products/e4000_ektachrome_100.pdf

edit:
the sales sheet of the motion picture version shows yet another sensitometric density curve, which is odd. the sales sheet is from 2019:

https://www.kodak.com/content/products-brochures/Film/EKTACHROME-100D-sell-sheet-EN.pdf

Alan Edward Klein · Dec 3, 2023

MattKing said:
No - other film companies just have to worry about shareholder profits.
Wait - that is what concerns Kodak Alaris as well!
Eastman Kodak have almost no marketing and distribution costs in relation to still film.
Marketing and distribution costs form a significant part of the costs of every film, from every manufacturer.

Aren't there 2 distributors with Kodak? Don't others have just one?

brbo · Dec 3, 2023

dokko said:
well, they might well be "functionally identical", but that's a different statement than "the flic version is identical film".

They are the same emulsion and if you don't mind different perforation and edge printing they are also functionally the same.

MattKing · Dec 3, 2023

Alan Edward Klein said:
Aren't there 2 distributors with Kodak? Don't others have just one?

Do you really think that chain stores like drug store chains buy Fuji or Ilford film from distributors that specialize in photographic products? They buy it from the same distributors that they buy Kodak film from - distributors that service the retail markets they operate in.
Harman's distribution network is small and highly specialized. Kodak's is large and international and comprehensive in its presence.
To the most part they service very different customers with very different needs. It's just that mostly the people who frequent Photrio happen to inhabit the spot where those markets overlap - the photographic specialty market.

MattKing · Dec 3, 2023

brbo said:
They are the same emulsion and if you don't mind different perforation and edge printing they are also functionally the same.

Same emulsion, same base, same photographic response to identical circumstances.
I don't know whether the sprocket holes differ.

dokko · Dec 3, 2023

MattKing said:
Same emulsion, same base, same photographic response to identical circumstances.

as mentioned I don't have first hand experience, but if this is indeed the case the Kodak data sheets are not worth the paper they are printed on (or bits they are stored in):

MattKing · Dec 3, 2023

They read identical to me - adjusting for the fact that they use different units on the horizontal axis.
I note as well that the older, Kodak Alaris datasheet refers to Daylight exposure, while the Kodak Motion Picture Datasheet refers to tungsten illumination filtered to 5500K - which may or may not be saying the same thing.
One product has documentation that is intended to serve the needs of still film users, while the other has documentation that is intended to fulfill the needs of motion picture film users, and the documentation is of slightly different age.
But most importantly, it is documentation of the same film - just confectioned/finished for two very different sets of users.
And I can assure you, my source of information is completely reliable.

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