Kodak to Raise Prices on 135?

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I recall from the press realse when this came out, that the reason that they could bring ektachrome back was that BOTH the Motion Market and the Still market wanted a TOTAL quantity that justified making master rolls. I would expect that this is still the case, and the Master rolls are divided between the Motion finishing department and the still finishing department.

it is interesting that one of the featured Productions using 5294 is a TV show who are cross processing it in ECN-2. https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/...s-shot-entirely-on-kodak-35mm-ektachrome-film

This inspired the name for the version of 5294 being loaded by the Atlanta Film Company : https://www.atlantafilmco.com/product-page/euphoric-100

Being in Canada, It is MUCH easier to get it as part of my order of Flic Film.
 
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Do you really think that chain stores like drug store chains buy Fuji or Ilford film from distributors that specialize in photographic products? They buy it from the same distributors that they buy Kodak film from - distributors that service the retail markets they operate in.
Harman's distribution network is small and highly specialized. Kodak's is large and international and comprehensive in its presence.
To the most part they service very different customers with very different needs. It's just that mostly the people who frequent Photrio happen to inhabit the spot where those markets overlap - the photographic specialty market.

But there are apparently two levels of distribution for Kodak film. Alaris and the other distributors. So, Alaris adds one more level of markup that other film manufacturers don't do raising the price of Kodak film higher at the retail level. Plus, distributors for non-Kodak film don't have retired pensioners depending on Alaris markups to support their pension payments.
 

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distributors for non-Kodak film don't have retired pensioners depending on Alaris markups to support their pension payments.

I recall hearing that the Pension plan applied to be bailed out a while ago. so the Pension Board may be the ones in Control of Alaris these days. One might suspect that is why the chemical business was sold off.
 

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But there are apparently two levels of distribution for Kodak film. Alaris and the other distributors. So, Alaris adds one more level of markup that other film manufacturers don't do raising the price of Kodak film higher at the retail level. Plus, distributors for non-Kodak film don't have retired pensioners depending on Alaris markups to support their pension payments.

And who would be likely to mark up the substantial costs related to distribution more?
Eastman Kodak, who have institutional investors demanding return on investment, or Kodak Alaris, who has a quasi-government owner demanding return on investment.
Someone is going to have to spend that money, and they are going to demand that they make more money than they put out.
 
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I recall hearing that the Pension plan applied to be bailed out a while ago. so the Pension Board may be the ones in Control of Alaris these days. One might suspect that is why the chemical business was sold off.

I don't understand all the details of the article. But it seems clear that the pensioners will be getting less than they use too. The fund is £1.5bn short. I assume markup and profits of Kodak Alaris effect what they get so they're an incentive to raise film prices. Other film manufacturers don't have this pension issue to contend with.
 
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And who would be likely to mark up the substantial costs related to distribution more?
Eastman Kodak, who have institutional investors demanding return on investment, or Kodak Alaris, who has a quasi-government owner demanding return on investment.
Someone is going to have to spend that money, and they are going to demand that they make more money than they put out.

I've posted before that I believe Eastman Kodak can raise prices to Alaris to raise their profits at the expense of Alaris. Alaris has nowhere else to source Kodak film. On the other hand, even Eastman realizes they can only go so far without killing the goose. I've researched and still don't know what limits for markups, if any, are in the bankruptcy or subsequent agreements. Without firm contractual limits spelled out, both parties will try to maximize markups. So, you have Eastman maximizing their profits for stockholders and Alaris maximizing markups to pay their pensioners. Hence, higher prices for Kodak film than their competition.
 

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Kodak doesn't have any meaningful competition in colour film segment. The pricing of their BW is higher than competition because they have no incentive to sell more BW film. They would need to sacrifice colour film numbers to satisfy higher BW demand at lower prices, but there is clearly no sense in this since colour film market can bring higher margins.

So, it's what the market will bear. Once 135 sales will start lagging seriously (as did 120) Alaris will probably need to change their pricing policy.
 

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I don't understand all the details of the article. But it seems clear that the pensioners will be getting less than they use too. The fund is £1.5bn short. I assume markup and profits of Kodak Alaris effect what they get so they're an incentive to raise film prices. Other film manufacturers don't have this pension issue to contend with.
hopefully ALL film manufacturers have been paying the full load to their pension plans. SO they all SHOULD be spending on pensions. The Kodak bankrupcy in the US allowed it to cut some of the the pension obligations it owed to the US workers, BUT the laws were More Worker friendly in the UK, and so the Kodak Limited pension plan was provided with the Asset of Alaris to meet that obligation.

From the article, it looks the Pension plan has had to ask for assistance in meeting its obligations to the memebers of the plan. The Major asset when that plan was set up was All the Stock of Kodak Alaris. It is quite posible that to Pension Protection Fund may now have control of that asset and would rather realize the monetary value of that asset.
 

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FWIW, the problems with all the Kodak pensions plans are/were actuarial in nature.
Over the many years leading up to the bankruptcy all the calculated and projected payments were made, and all the funds invested were invested in normal, prudent ways. There were no pension fund "raids".
And to date, pension payouts have essentially been made when due. My Dad passed away in 2016, after being retired from Kodak Canada for 33 years - Kodak had gone into bankruptcy and come out of bankruptcy 5 years earlier. During all the years of his retirement my father never had problems collecting his Kodak Canada pension nor receiving the benefit of his retiree extended health benefits.
There are two projected retiree entitlement "shortfalls", and they relate to two main areas.
The first relates to non-pension benefits. Particularly in the USA, EK's bankruptcy resulted in the medical and extended medical benefits for retirees being curtailed, and such benefits are unlikely to be as available in the future as originally expected.
The second is more problematic.
While there remains a lot of money in those funds, Kodak employees appear to have a troublesome propensity for living long lives into their retirement years. The actuarial projections that governed the payments into the plans before the bankruptcy included assumptions about returns on investment and expected lifespans that were consistent with (pension) industry practice, but have turned out to be at least slightly optimistic. In addition, those actuarial assumptions included assumptions about the plans continuing, including continuing to receive current contributions. Among other things, current contributions were expected to help fund the administration costs of the Kodak retiree benefit system. With the bankruptcy, the current contributions ended.
The bankruptcy, along with the financial freefall that preceded it, resulted in the cessation of the pre-existing approach to pension entitlement. Post 2005, there are entirely separate retiree benefit programs in place, and current Eastman Kodak employees are members of those.
As I understand it, current Kodak Alaris employees, as well as employees of their international subsidiaries, have separate, unrelated plans that apply to them.
The pension entitlements that are most at risk are the ones accrued by the younger employees in the years relatively near the bankruptcy date. The older employees will probably die before the money in the fund is depleted.
In the case of the UK pensioners - retired employees of Kodak Limited - the legislation provides for a government guarantee of certain types of private pensions. At the time of the bankruptcy the responsible government entity determined that the Kodak Limited pension plan would be likely to end up having to draw on that guarantee, so under terms of the legislation they first entered into the bankruptcy settlement agreement that resulted in a bunch of assets changing hands, as well as the creation of Kodak Alaris and the transfer of some of those assets to it. Subsequently, Kodak Alaris did not make as much money as had been hoped, so the UK authorities have taken full control of the plan and its assets, including Kodak Alaris. Those assets still include a big chunk of cash.
There are projections that some of the Kodak pension payments may be reduced in the future, but I don't think any such reductions have happened yet.
 
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