Kodak Revives Another One...

[bvy]

Kodak Alaris revives Pro Image 100 returns... in Europe.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1785236641/kodak-alaris-brings-35mm-pro-image-100-film-to-europe

 

[bsdunek]

Well, that certainly is good news. Hopefully, they will market it in the U.S.A. soon. Although, it sounds very much like Portra. Wonder what the difference is.

 

[bvy]

I believe it's the same as what used to be branded Pro Foto XL -- which I liked a lot as a replacement for Gold 100.

 

[pentaxuser]

If I have read the release correctly it sounds as if this film is already in existence but there was no distribution network for Europe previously but now there is, so the film on dealers' shelves is only weeks away at most? I wonder what good underexposure latitude is. Most C41 is OK at one stop under so for Kodak to make a point of mentioning this aspect I'd assume 2 stops should be within reach with no or marginal adverse effect, so a 400 film if light conditions demand?

pentaxuser

 

[Rick A]

It might be nice to see it in 120 and 220 sizes for medium format shooters, after all it's billed "for portraiture and social applications".

 

[FujiLove]

If I have read the release correctly it sounds as if this film is already in existence but there was no distribution network for Europe previously but now there is, so the film on dealers' shelves is only weeks away at most? I wonder what good underexposure latitude is. Most C41 is OK at one stop under so for Kodak to make a point of mentioning this aspect I'd assume 2 stops should be within reach with no or marginal adverse effect, so a 400 film if light conditions demand?

pentaxuser

It's already being sold in the UK: http://www.ag-photographic.co.uk/kodak-pro-image-557-c.asp

I think AG began stocking it a month or so back (but I may simply have not noticed it on the site).

 

[FujiLove]

The press release mentions it being released on a 'trial period', so maybe AG Photographic were part of that?

Anyway, it's a lot cheaper than Ektar and Portra in the UK, and I'll bet it works great in the Pakon. Definitely tempted to buy a box to run through the Xpan

 

[macfred]

Siverprint in the UK lists the Pro Image 100 available http://shop.silverprint.co.uk/Kodak-Pro-Image-100-35mm-36-Exposure-5-Pack/product/6034466/6034466/
Just ordered 10 rolls.

 

[Lachlan Young]

Have used the better part of a pro-pack & processed/ scanned some of it (Kodak chemistry/ Jobo ATL/ Hasselblad X5/ manual inversion after sampling & dividing out the mask) - it's got less overexposure latitude than Portra before the highlights become a bit overcooked (I'd rate it no lower than 50) and has bigger grain/ dye clouds than current Ektar/ Portra - the colours are nice & pretty neutral - it's easy to achieve the 'contemporary social photography with Kodak neg film' kind of look. Not as strongly saturated as Ektar - & a tick warmer too.

In sum, preliminary results are: don't overexpose it too much - 50 is good, be prepared to do some chroma noise reduction if you scan above 3000ppi optical - haven't tried any lower resolutions yet. No idea how it'll behave on low end scanners like the Epson flatbeds.

 

[pentaxuser]

Siverprint in the UK lists the Pro Image 100 available http://shop.silverprint.co.uk/Kodak-Pro-Image-100-35mm-36-Exposure-5-Pack/product/6034466/6034466/
Just ordered 10 rolls.

This is half the price of Portra which is now £9.70 per 36 frame film. Is Portra really worth double the price?I wonder what a 30 metre bulk roll would cost. Based on the TMax bulk roll mark-up I estimate about £15 per 36 frame equivalent.

As they would say to Kodak in the east end of London" You are having a laugh"

pentaxuser

 

[Arcadia4]

A more accurate title for this thread is probably - 'Kodak announces official distribution of Pro Image in Europe'.

Its been around since 1997 and was introduced as lower cost selected markets film in South America (later also sold in SE Asia), to enable professional photographers access to an affordable colour emulsion that didn't need refrigeration and could also be printed by minilabs.

It has been available as a 'paralllel' or 'grey' import for a while from likes of Maco. But credit for its official distribution in the UK I believe goes to Nik & Trick in Folkestone who initially sold it as a grey import last year but later convinced Kodak Alaris they should offer it offically in the UK, when they demonstrated how well it sold. Its already fairly widely available.

So what is it? Well its an 'E.I'. 100 film (probably the only film thats not sold by its ISO) which is considered to be ca 160 ISO . Hence the suitability for underexposure. But its not Portra, the printing chanel is Gold and PGI index is 43 which slots neatly between Gold 100 - PGI 42 and Gold 200 - PGI 44 (Portra 160 is 28 by comparison - all figures for 135 4x6). Price wise its also in the same ballpark Gold 200 is ca £4-5 roll and Pro image is about the same. Its introduction date is the same as Gold too but its sold in 5x pro packs rather than 3x consumer packs. However the key difference from Gold is that colours are more accurate and less 'holiday tan'.

So in summary Gold 160 with more neutral colours..?

Anyway its great to have another option particuarly given the recent cost increases for porta.. (And yes Nik and Trick report that thay have already suggested to Kodak how great it would be to have it in 120 or large format). Lets hope.

 

[pentaxuser]

So what is it? Well its an 'E.I'. 100 film (probably the only film thats not sold by its ISO) which is considered to be ca 160 ISO . Hence the suitability for underexposure. .

Any idea why it is the exception, being sold with an EI rating and not ISO?. On the face of things it sounds like a con trick to demonstrate its "ability" for underexposure. Just by way of an analogy for example, Ilford could advertise HP5+ as EI 100 and claim the film's ability to cope with 2-3 stops underexposure.

pentaxuser

 

[Lachlan Young]

A more accurate title for this thread is probably - 'Kodak announces official distribution of Pro Image in Europe'.

Its been around since 1997 and was introduced as lower cost selected markets film in South America (later also sold in SE Asia), to enable professional photographers access to an affordable colour emulsion that didn't need refrigeration and could also be printed by minilabs.

It has been available as a 'paralllel' or 'grey' import for a while from likes of Maco. But credit for its official distribution in the UK I believe goes to Nik & Trick in Folkestone who initially sold it as a grey import last year but later convinced Kodak Alaris they should offer it offically in the UK, when they demonstrated how well it sold. Its already fairly widely available.

So what is it? Well its an 'E.I'. 100 film (probably the only film thats not sold by its ISO) which is considered to be ca 160 ISO . Hence the suitability for underexposure. But its not Portra, the printing chanel is Gold and PGI index is 43 which slots neatly between Gold 100 - PGI 42 and Gold 200 - PGI 44 (Portra 160 is 28 by comparison - all figures for 135 4x6). Price wise its also in the same ballpark Gold 200 is ca £4-5 roll and Pro image is about the same. Its introduction date is the same as Gold too but its sold in 5x pro packs rather than 3x consumer packs. However the key difference from Gold is that colours are more accurate and less 'holiday tan'.

So in summary Gold 160 with more neutral colours..?

Anyway its great to have another option particuarly given the recent cost increases for porta.. (And yes Nik and Trick report that thay have already suggested to Kodak how great it would be to have it in 120 or large format). Lets hope.

I think it might have been Ron (Photo Engineer) who posted on photo.net a long time ago that there were (are) Kodak products that exist as a regular 200 speed film & then the same product dyed with a neutral dye becomes a much sharper 100 speed film. It might well be that this is exactly what is happening here - Gold 200 + a specific dye.

 

[cmacd123]

ISO speed is ONLY really defined for B&W films processed according to the ISO special procedure.

Colour Film is always given An Exposure index. Although you may have to read the fine print often to see this distinction, as the box may just "say" ISO 400

 

[AgX]

No, there is an own film-speed standard for CN film: ISO 5800 from 1979.

 

[braxus]

I always understood this film was basically a Gold 100 clone with minor differences, but the other poster may be right. It might be in between Gold 100 and 200. That said Gold 100 is no longer sold anywhere that I am aware of, so its interesting to see this film come available.