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John:
I've heard of only one single example of someone not receiving replacement film after they contacted Kodak (the one we discussed). I have the feeling there is something unusual about that example that would cast doubt on the story.
...I've been stunk by this problem on 3 separate batches of TMAX 400.
... my one and only trip to Washington DC has been RUINED thanks to defective film (purchased Nov, 2016).
Knowing the above, it seems like it was not a very bright decision on your part.
We do. That's why I included a smiley after my joking "question."Kodak has not used the Kodak green trucks outside of Kodak Park for years and years. They use commercial shipping. You all should know that...
Where to begin. The problem has appeared previously in Ilford films; it's not exclusive to Kodak. After a decade of tightly-controlled private ownership, HARMAN's finishing materials inventory was undoubtedly much smaller when the paper issue surfaced, thus its ability to rectify things in relatively short order.The rash of paper problems is exclusive to Kodak, and particularly TMAX 400. If the problem was in fact caused by paper, then it would appear across different companies at the same rate. It has not. Blaming the problem on paper is entirely wrong...
...I developed two rolls of TMAX 400 yesterday. I'll be scanning them today and I'm holding my breath that they are OK. I've been stunk by this problem on 3 separate batches of TMAX 400.
Nope....burned again. Paper imprints all over my negatives.
Goodbye TMAX 400....I'll miss ya, but my one and only trip to Washington DC has been RUINED thanks to defective film (purchased Nov, 2016).
Knowing the above, it seems like it was not a very bright decision on your part.
Well said indeed. But not for the reason you seem to imply, i.e. that using 120 TMAX 400 is unwise.Well said.
You need to step back and take a breath. Ilford had the problem too. So Kodak is not the only one with the problem. Think about it. There is now only one company that makes the paper. They print the paper. If they screwed up on the ink, then both Kodak and Ilford will have the problem.
Well said indeed. But not for the reason you seem to imply, i.e. that using 120 TMAX 400 is unwise.
Rather, it wasn't bright because, having full knowledge of the wrapper offset issue from numerous APUG threads,
you purchased that film at retail two months ago, didn't check its emulsion number, didn't take the simple step of sending an email message to Thomas Mooney at Kodak Alaris (which would have resulted in free replacement with 120 TMAX 400 made using the new backing paper) and then consciously used film from a known bad batch to make images on your big trip.
Sometimes one's desire to denigrate a particular film manufacturer can backfire. Your actions hurt only you. Your posts on the subject are transparently anti-Kodak; those reading them can discern motivation, ignore the trash talk and know enough to take advantage of the extraordinary product that TMY-2 is.
The problems posted are by far shown to be with Kodak. Where is the problem with Ilford? What lot numbers are affected? Where is the statement that they are aware of the problem and are working on it? I dont see it, but perhaps I have missed it.
I havent seen a single example of a roll of Fuji film showing this problem.
Harmon posted on APUG that they have the same problem with the 120 Ilford film. So the manufacturer has confirmed the problem.
And, Kodak may well have contacted dealers to recall the affected batches. We don't know. Those dealers are really anonymous at this point.
PE
And, Kodak may well have contacted dealers to recall the affected batches. We don't know. Those dealers are really anonymous at this point.
PE
Harmon posted on APUG that they have the same problem with the 120 Ilford film. So the manufacturer has confirmed the problem.
You started a 31-post thread on this very problem with Ilford film you used:I must have missed the dozens of posts showing the problem...
... it wasn't bright because, having full knowledge of the wrapper offset issue from numerous APUG threads, you purchased that film ...
... are transparently anti-Kodak
If I were anti Kodak, I wouldnt even be using TMAX 400. Nor would my current film stash include several boxes of Portra 400 and Ektar 100. I've got a good 20 rolls of Kodak film in my fridge, if not more.
One can be very upset with Kodak, believe that they have very poor quality (based on personal experience), and not hate them. It's not a zero sum game.
It probably does look ridiculous on the outside as to why I use Kodak film since I have clear proof that I keep ending up with defective film.
Clearly Kodak doesnt care about quality...
when we identify a bad produce of ours, we move HEAVEN and EARTH to get it out of the customer's hands.
You started a 31-post thread on this very problem with Ilford film you used:
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)
It certainly would not have been a proper business decision to leave the affected batch for sale in dealers. I had a lot to say about this when I visited Kodak in person in Hawthorn, despite their peculiarly blasé and willowy disposition!
Well said
The word "Anti" is a transparently double-edged sword
Not necessarily! our words - and personal experience - speak for ourselves. What is clear is that "you can lead or take a horse to the water but you can’t make it drink". Anyway, there should be nothing - and nobody - to prevent us from using the film we want.
Sometimes it's not always that easy as Photo Engineer said before, but again you're almost right. I believe that we don't have that "global-moving" sensation by the Kodak Company.
Kind regards!
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