Kodak price increases in 2020

pentaxuser · Nov 29, 2019

Agulliver said:
@pentaxuser not the Metropolis film, the Lomography colour negative films....the 100, 400 and 800 ISO C41 films without any weird effects. Believed to be Kodacolor VR or similar. Certainly act like Kodacolor VR in the case of the 100 and 400. The 800 could be Max 800 as seen in Kodak single use cameras. Some speculation there but it seems likely. It ain't Fuji for sure, and nobody else is making C41 film currently.

From what I saw of the link the Metropolis film is C41. I an not sure if you are saying that Lomography Metropolis film has nothing to do with Kodak. I cannot say at this stage that Henning Serger will say to my questions but if it is not Kodak stock and the engineers to which he refers are not Kodak not and the factory to which he refers and to which he has been is not a Kodak facility then all I can say is that his reply to which I refer lacks detail

I raise this point simply because the way I read his reply on that other thread suggests to me that in the case of Metropolis film it does not rely on Kodak stock. It may be that almost everyone else believes that they have read between the lines of Henning's and it is only I who is confused and need more detail

pentaxuser

Tom Kershaw · Nov 29, 2019

NB23 said:
Maybe tri-x with a blue filter B+W 081?

I've not tried that. One of the reasons I like T-Max 400 is for the excellent image quality in lower light conditions with a simple UV filter.

Agulliver · Nov 30, 2019

I'm not talking about Metropolis at all. What I've said is that the regular Lomography colour negative films, the ones without the special effects, are also in short supply...which would only add to the notion that Kodak has been unable to keep up with demand for amateur colour films.

RalphLambrecht · Nov 30, 2019

Tom Kershaw said:
See: https://kamerastore.com/breaking-ne...SoGoDhlvJYVGxp1zQQLEmjElgbxu2EV0dqULtC8GDOqOA

Tom

as long as we still can buy.

pentaxuser · Nov 30, 2019

Agulliver said:
I'm not talking about Metropolis at all. What I've said is that the regular Lomography colour negative films, the ones without the special effects, are also in short supply...which would only add to the notion that Kodak has been unable to keep up with demand for amateur colour films.

I appreciate that. It was just that I thought you may have been drawing attention to the possible implication that Lomography stock was in fact Kodak stock and thus the Lomography Metropolis was also likely to be Kodak stock. Unless of course Lomography has its own film producing function somewhere but it is only big enough for Metropolis and not the other films it has which may be Kodak stock

Sorry if I misunderstood what you had said

pentaxuser

foc · Nov 30, 2019

Film photography is not a cheap hobby, never was and never will be. Other hobbies can be more expensive like backing horses or playing golf.

It is a small market now compared to what it used to be, so I am happy to still have film available.

Remember that different markets have different prices so what one thinks expensive in one country is considered cheap in another and vice versa.

Will it stop me buying it? No.

Tom Kershaw · Nov 30, 2019

foc said:
Film photography is not a cheap hobby, never was and never will be. Other hobbies can be more expensive like backing horses or playing golf.

It is a small market now compared to what it used to be, so I am happy to still have film available.

Remember that different markets have different prices so what one thinks expensive in one country is considered cheap in another and vice versa.

Will it stop me buying it? No.

Well I've just come out of the darkroom having printed on the new Multigrade V RC paper for the first time and was impressed, so simply pleased that new "real" products are being produced for the market.

Agulliver · Dec 1, 2019

There was a time when photography could be done cheap. In the 80s, at least in the UK, one could obtain an East German Praktica SLR for considerably under £100 new on the high street, buy a C41 film or two (if none happened to come free with the camera) and take advantage of "free film with processing" which was common at the time. The processing industry was so big that it never cost much more than £3 or £4 in those days.....I know when one adjusts for inflation that is a considerable outlay but it wasn't expensive. Many schools and colleges had dark rooms that one could rock up and use if you were a student, or rent for small sums. B&W film could be had for under a pound in those days.

Now it'll never be that cheap...but I have found a local mini-lab still offers dev and scan for £4 in almost any format (135, 120, 110, 126, 127). But I accept that in the smaller market the film, chemicals, paper, products and services will cost more. And its not just Kodak increasing prices, Ilford and Fuji did last year. Kodak were swallowing the losses last year - as the figures show.

Wallendo · Dec 1, 2019

Fuji raises prices at least once a year. Ilford isn't as public about it, but their film rises in price. Kodak films have also seen a steady increase, but this is the first time we have really been forwarned

I don't shoot a lot of color film, but when I do, the main financial burden is development cost, not the price of the film.

Longer term, I hope the film divisions of EK and KA can be reunited - I think it would be best for film users to be able to rely on an integrated company with better control of supply and marketing.

MattKing · Dec 1, 2019

I would rather have someone else buy and combine the businesses of Kodak Alaris and the film production facilities and business of Eastman Kodak then have Eastman Kodak buy Kodak Alaris' business.
Eastman Kodak is a publicly traded company that focuses on commercial printing systems. It has a legacy division that makes film.

mshchem · Dec 1, 2019

MattKing said:
I would rather have someone else buy and combine the businesses of Kodak Alaris and the film production facilities and business of Eastman Kodak then have Eastman Kodak buy Kodak Alaris' business.
Eastman Kodak is a publicly traded company that focuses on commercial printing systems. It has a legacy division that makes film.

Excellent point. I hope everything works out, both EK and KA seem to be struggling.

Sal Santamaura · Dec 1, 2019

Alessandro Serrao said:
...Remember this price increase is due to Kodak faults. I won't pay for other's faults.

One cannot "remember" something that's fake. Kodak has exhibited many faults over the decades, but none of them were/are the cause of this price increase.

mshchem · Dec 1, 2019

Alessandro Serrao said:
Well, if you Kodak want to increase prices you oughta gimme perfect products (and not flawed Xtol) and I want them to be available anywhere anytime!
Ain't wait for my 2 months flawed Xtol order. It's not acceptable.
Now tell me: why would I continue to use Kodak while Ilford products are better priced and have more widespread availability (in the entire world)?
Remember this price increase is due to Kodak faults. I won't pay for other's faults.

XTOL has nothing to do with film prices, or availability.
Kodak Alaris has found a different (not bankrupt) supplier for XTOL. From my understanding of the XTOL situation, the lot number in question went to the US, EU was not affected.
I received the lot number that was "suspect" I mixed it in pure water, it performed EXACTLY as the XTOL sold last year. Not any problems.

I understand the frustration with problems. I will continue to buy Kodak, Fujifilm, Ilford, Foma, Adox ......... I recently bought 25 rolls of Velvia in 120. It was 9 dollars a roll. I think film is an absolute miracle, I hope that suppliers can make a reasonable profit and continue to supply these amazing products.

removed account4 · Dec 1, 2019

Alessandro Serrao said:
Remember this price increase is due to Kodak faults. I won't pay for other's faults.

hey alessandro
no clue your age or undersanding of how kodak operated for a long long time
but ... for decades kodak raised their prices 2x a year, it has nothing to do with the "faults" of the company.
best
john

Adrian Bacon · Dec 1, 2019

Peter Schrager said:
I can almost guarantee you that ilford will follow suit with prices..

Ilford has pretty regularly raised their prices the last 2-3 years. If they don’t do it Jan 1st, then it most certainly will happen by April-June, which is when They’ve been doing it the last couple years.

Tom Kershaw · Dec 1, 2019

I'm not sure we can be certain that all ILFORD branded chemical solutions are made by Tetenal.

removed account4 · Dec 1, 2019

kodak chemicals are made by champion, right ?

MattKing · Dec 1, 2019

jnantz said:
kodak chemicals are made by champion, right ?

Not since the bankruptcy.
Champion was one of the large, unpaid creditors. I expect that they experienced great hardship as a result of the bankruptcy - I doubt they received anything on the large sums they were owed.

MattKing · Dec 1, 2019

Alessandro Serrao said:
They are. All of them.

I'm sure that they were. I'm also sure that Harman is or has actively investigated diversifying their manufacturing sources - particularly since their largest market remain the the USA.

mshchem · Dec 1, 2019

Kodak Alaris has serious issues. Not the least of which is employee morale. I've been through sales and mergers, it's completely disruptive. Alaris has made their plans to outsource everything and sell this division known for a long while.
Ilford has ownership that is in it for the long run.
Important to not blame the technical and production people for the problems with management and ownership.

MattKing · Dec 1, 2019

Well...
It is the owner of Kodak Alaris - essentially the UK pension security regime - that seeks the sale of the parts of Kodak Alaris that we are interested in here.
A preference for cash is understandable, considering the size of the pension shortfall that the owners of Kodak Alaris need to deal with.

ericdan · Dec 1, 2019

BMbikerider said:
I very rarely use Kodak film - there are cheaper alternatives, however I use Kodak Endura for printing colour, so it is possibly fortunate I have recently bought a new 88m roll of 12". That will keep me busy for around a year or so.

wow. you print 7 meters of 12" color per month? that's crazy, but I like it.

ericdan · Dec 1, 2019

mpirie said:
Kodak need to take a long hard look at themselves and their markets.

Supply and demand is fine, providing you don't price yourselves out of the market.

I'd love to keep using Kodak B&W film but Ilford B&W film is much cheaper, especially in the UK, and the difference does not justify the higher prices Kodak charge.

Mik.

well, in Japan Ilford is already much more expensive than Kodak. Some items up to 5x the price of Kodak.
1 liter of microphen is USD 30.00 !!!
the packages are rotting on the shelves here. No one is buying at this price.

Sirius Glass · Dec 2, 2019

Alessandro Serrao said:
Well, if you Kodak want to increase prices you oughta gimme perfect products (and not flawed Xtol) and I want them to be available anywhere anytime!
Ain't wait for my 2 months flawed Xtol order. It's not acceptable.
Now tell me: why would I continue to use Kodak while Ilford products are better priced and have more widespread availability (in the entire world)?
Remember this price increase is due to Kodak faults. I won't pay for other's faults.

The only faults involved are with your perception.

mpirie · Dec 2, 2019

ericdan said:
well, in Japan Ilford is already much more expensive than Kodak. Some items up to 5x the price of Kodak.
1 liter of microphen is USD 30.00 !!!
the packages are rotting on the shelves here. No one is buying at this price.

What's the pricing of Fuji products (the film, not the chemicals) like in Japan by comparison?

Mike

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