Kodak M-Q developer patent — twice as much Metol as HQ?

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There was a thread in January about possible uses for Ammonium Chloride: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/ammonium-chloride.180780/page-2

In the discussion I noted that in a the book “The Nikon Manual: A Complete Handbook of 35mm Technique” (1957) I’d come across guidance on adding ammonium chloride to D-76, halving the film’s ISO, and doubling the normal D-76 development time, thereby “causing D-76 to behave partly as a physical developer; silver dissolved from the emulsion by the sodium sulfite is redeposited on the developing image a exceedingly minute particles and the (medium-speed film) negative will be virtually grainless.”

Looking around further on the web to find other examples of using ammonium chloride in a B/W developer, I came across Kodak patent 2,053,516 from 1936. In the patent Kodak presents 6 formulae where the ammonium chloride is added to variations on a standard D-76-like formula, some with sodium sulfite at 100g/liter or 35g/l or 60g/l, some with or without potassium bromide to reduce fog. So far so good — but looking closer I realized that in four of the six cited formulae, there is twice as much metol as hydroquinone — 5g metol and 2.5g HQ — and I’m curious as to why Kodak would have done that? What would be the advantage(s) of moving from the standard (well, maybe not yet standard in 1936) 2.5g metol and 5g HQ to a reversal a reversal? I note that in the two formulae that are “standard” there is no KBr used, whereas in the four formulae that are 5g Metol/2.5g HQ KBR is used at 1g/l or 0.5g/l.

Any thoughts on what Kodak was thinking? I think it’s clear that Kodak wouldn’t seek to create and patent a formula unless it worked well and they saw some economic benefit from so doing. They must have seen something they liked
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The reason to patent a formula or family of formulae is to gain exclusive use of them for some period of time, in exchange for disclosing them to the industry for free use after the patent expires. Granted, this is usually done in order to use an innovation without competition from another maker for the same item, but patents can also be filed for the purpose of preventing use of an innovation for some reason. For instance, a machine improvement that would cost too much to manufacture to be a practical improvement on an existing product might be patented to protect against a competitor coming up with a cheaper way to build it, making it competitive.

Now, I don't know what Kodak's aim was in this case, in patenting a formula that they apparently never actually produced -- but it might have had to do with having a patent cover a broad range of formulations so as to defend against "My new developer has 3g metol and only 4 g of HQ, so it doesn't violate your patent."
 
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Yes, Donald, clearly Kodak was trying to throw a rope around as much intellectual property as possible. As they wrote, “our invention is not limited to the formulas and examples stated...” However, I must assume that they actually tried out those four formulas with twice as much metol as HQ and found something of merit — or maybe not!
 

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Yes, Donald, clearly Kodak was trying to throw a rope around as much intellectual property as possible. As they wrote, “our invention is not limited to the formulas and examples stated...” However, I must assume that they actually tried out those four formulas with twice as much metol as HQ and found something of merit — or maybe not!
I all the many, many formulas I tried from peroxide bleach patents, almost none of them were any good. They were defensively patenting anything that was good-adjacent. By combining elements of various patents, we were able to get together a pretty decent peroxide bleach. My guess is that they were patenting enough here to cover something they thought was promising, but using formulas far enough away from what was working that they would not give away anything useful. Would be happy to be wrong, though.

BTW: I still intend to try out your post of the D-76 chloride mix!
 
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