Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

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Kodak Alaris may be getting a fee from Eastman for each of these 2 films sold directly by Eastman. It's a way of keeping the price down to about $10 a roll because you're basically eliminating an extra distributor which is just an added, unnecessary cost. It opens the market to just regular photographers who can't afford expensive Kodak pro film. The fee protects the deal between Alaris's and Eastman made when Eastman went bankrupt. I could see 1 hour development-printing outlets opening up again providing 4x6" prints. Photo albums anyone?
 

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foc said:
My son sells photo albums on line in Ireland (population 5.5 million) and he makes a nice profit from it. It is a very niche market but maybe your other predictions will come true also.
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This new film should help his business once they start selling it in Ireland
 

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Alan Edward Klein said:
This new film should help his business once they start selling it in Ireland
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He ought to include a "free" roll with the albums he sells. Drum up new business.
 

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I think we would be wise not to underestimate Kodak Alaris' global distribution capabilities. EK lost all that. It's actually unclear what distribution method(s) they're using for these films.
 

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I'm starting to think this may actually be Eastman Kodak itself, no Cinestill etc. They could start with 100 or so sellers If you're a smaller shop, order 100 rolls to get a quantity discount from B&H or Unique . Much simpler in the USA because of the online giants, and superstores.
 

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Going by the box design only, we're getting closer and closer to a Kodachrome 25 re-release!
 

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Can anyone post if they learn which base it is on - acetate or Estar?
 

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Agulliver said:
I think we would be wise not to underestimate Kodak Alaris' global distribution capabilities. EK lost all that. It's actually unclear what distribution method(s) they're using for these films.
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Didn't someone mention that Eastman is selling these two films only in the US for now?
 

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I'm betting that it is on acetate.
 

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Why not outright ESTAR? EK manufactures anyways, with a more integrated supply chain as they also make ESTAR and don't need to import Acetate with the current trade changes.
Although Alaris confirmed most if not all Color still films were migrated to ESTAR, even contract coated such as Lomo were made on it. E100 and Gold 200 120 were directly introduced on that substrate. That could very well a EK manufacturing decision.

One lab posted some test shots saying "Not Proimage, not Lomo" so, at least the Kodacolor 100 could be another tune up. But that's speculative from my side.
IIRC a Color Plus 100 and VR100 existed relatively recently, as market specifc if so (VR in Germany)
 

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Has anyone seen the edge markings on these new products? I've seen on other sites some sample images, which all look really nice, but not edge markings. I'm wondering if htey might provide a bit of insight.
 

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At $9 a roll, great for film enthusiasts who just want to mess around. Prosumers like us will continue with Ektar, Portra, etc. Where I see this really taking off is when one-hour labs start opening up again providing one or two 4"x6" prints along with the developing. Think of how popular Instax instant film photos have become. People like passing around prints, taping them to the wall or refrigerator, etc. Alaris already has kiosks https://business.kodakmoments.com/retailers?utm_source=corporate&utm_medium=referral&utm_id=homepage


This whole release smells like a joint business plan. Eastman cannot violate their agreement with Alaris for exclusivity in distribution without Alaris agreeing to it. So they made a deal. When Alaris was bought out by the California company, I suggested they might try to buy Eastman's film division. That might be a bridge too far. But this arrangement seems creative as well. Additionally, Alaris may get a royalty for each roll Eastman sells.
 

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This also shows that Kingswood Capital Management, the California firm that bought Kodak Alaris a couple of years ago, is in it for the long run. This whole thing might have been their idea. That would bode well for Kodak film being around a long time. Companies aren't investing in new emulsions and sales if they want a get-rich-quick rich scheme as was suggested here by many when Kingswood purchased the company. The lower prices also put their competitors on notice to sharpen up as well, because I think Eastman and Alaris realized they were pricing many of their pro films out of the market for people who can't afford it.
 

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A better deal for us would be if Eastman purchased back their distribution rights on all Kodak film from Alaris. That would eliminate higher distribution costs by eliminating Alaris, another company in the middle. That would lower prices for Kodak films across the board.
 

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Blue Moon Camera initially posted on its Facebook page of its announcement of the films that Kodacolor 100 is Pro Image and Kodacolor 200 is Color Plus. That post wasn’t up very long before it disappeared and was replaced by another with no mention of the film’s origins. I don’t know if Blue Moon had inside information or just misspoke, so take it for what it’s worth.
 

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They'll need to hire people around the world.
 
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