Kodak Film and Digital Capture by Rob Hummel at Cine Gear Expo 2011

[georg16nik]

[video=youtube;98FZ8C6HneE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98FZ8C6HneE[/video]
Some positive vibes

 

[tomalophicon]

'Film is the best'.
'Film's gone, it's gonna go away'.
Is he embarrassed by what he's saying?

 

[georg16nik]

nope, 'film is cool'

 

[btaylor]

Interesting additional videos to browse as well, some of the discussions on format choices are worth viewing, especially if you are a fan of 2.40:1 wide screen. One thing you'll notice about all the panelists is that they're old. Young cinematographers know almost nothing about recording on film, most don't know how the cameras operate when face to face with one. It has a different on-set tone too, as digital capture allows the camera to run and run. I think we'll really be in trouble when digital projection takes over. Once the prints stop being struck there won't be enough mp film being produced and processed to justify the relatively small amount used during actual television or motion picture production.

 

[Gerald C Koch]

Thank you for this very informative post. Now I know why I don't like digital. Maybe if more people saw this presentation they would go out and buy film.

 

[tomalophicon]

According to a mate doing some work with them, our small town cinema is getting a digi projector in 2 weeks. Our town has only 20,000 people. It won't be long till film is gone in cinemas.

 

[AlbertZeroK]

Loved it.

 

[BetterSense]

It seems like there should be more...is there a part II or something?

 

[Aristophanes]

Watch the vid on YouTube and read some of the intelligent comments about the presentation and its facts. His facts are somewhat slanted.

 

[semi-ambivalent]

I think an interesting point one of the speakers made was digital's succeptability (sp!) to file format changes. My very nerd co-workers dismiss this with a casual 'just copy it over' as if that solves everything. But how many people can even read a 5 1/4" floppy? It's not just the format but the devices to mount, copy and store. 5 1/4" floppies aren't even that old if you look at time as I was raised to look at it. People lose really important stuff all the time, even when they *know* they should make backups. (And yes, I know about that 15 year old file you have on the IBM-pc2 you have in your basement. I also know about the thousands of new disks that fail every year in Google's clusters.)

Personally I don't really care if the three Star Wars prequels go poof but what I see is a culture accepting (or being groomed to accept) all products as ever more temporary. From the now worthless digital camera dumped on Craigslist to the wireless sprinkler system rain sensor with the non-changable batteries. Things designed and built with longevity in mind are in many circles deemed old fashioned or over-built. Those are pejoratives these days. Over-built is defined of course as whatever decreases repeat sales of replacement product in the next quarter.

It's hard not to be impressed, for example, by 25M+ pixels and so forth, but the turnover rate of such things disturbs me. I like the shiny too, but it's like, as Auden said, something is trying to scratch its way into my brain. Maybe just a bad curry...

 

[georg16nik]

@btaylor - Yes, KODAK Motion Picture Film channel on Youtube got some other great videos!
btw: in Europe, motion film is strong. It looks like they are trying first to rip-off the US with dig†it†all™ projectors. Not that recently there are some good movies worth going to...lol
@Gerald C Koch - glad You liked it, I though the same as You, so, lets hope more people get to see this video.
@tomalophicon - have some faith, its obvious they are pushing it. Those who are feminine might open their legs for the new slack.
@AlbertZeroK - Same here!
@BetterSense - lets hope there is part 2, the vid was posted last week, so there might be part 2.
@Aristophanes - intelligent comments on Youtube? I liked the joke
@semi-ambivalent - there is no such thing as 25M+ pixels - its all marketing fluffy. The average consumer, in his own mind.. is invincible, so they fall for everything...lol

 

[georg16nik]

KODAK Motion Picture Film Youtube channel is something new, from Feb 2011 but its full of great stuff
I am not sure if You guys have seen the Oscars report called Digital Dilemma.
heres a link to the pdf Dead Link Removed
The pdf can also be downloaded from the Oscars website but You need a registration, so here You have it a click away.

 

[Jeff Kubach]

I like that video, good information!

Jeff

 

[benjiboy]

Fascinating, it makes me even less interested in buying digital equipment than I was alrerady.

 

[Terrence Brennan]

Excellent video.

 

[Diapositivo]

Nice video but, as far as I know, there is a yellow filter between the blue layer(s) and the underlying layer(s) so saying that there are no filters in a film is probably not correct. Anybody can confirm or deny?

It's interesting to see that Kodak remembers they are a film producers and they need to bring people to film.

I think the speaker says that film is going to go away because Kodak doesn't want to appear to investors as relying on film for its future.

Fabrizio

 

[brucemuir]

I think an interesting point one of the speakers made was digital's succeptability (sp!) to file format changes. My very nerd co-workers dismiss this with a casual 'just copy it over' as if that solves everything. But how many people can even read a 5 1/4" floppy? It's not just the format but the devices to mount, copy and store. 5 1/4" floppies aren't even that old if you look at time as I was raised to look at it. People lose really important stuff all the time, even when they *know* they should make backups. (And yes, I know about that 15 year old file you have on the IBM-pc2 you have in your basement. I also know about the thousands of new disks that fail every year in Google's clusters.)

take a look at this http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/01/sunday/main4836569.shtml

 

[georg16nik]

Fabrizio, I was not sure about the filters either.
Bruce, thats a good one, I have it in my bookmarks back then in 2009
This one is part 1 of 9 and in good spirit
[video=youtube;IQJsgfTEzro]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQJsgfTEzro[/video]

 

[brucemuir]

Yes,
that CBSnews vid is rather lame but it brings up important issues that cannot be ignored.

 

[Aristophanes]

This one is pretty funny too:

[video=youtube;9ycBxKiGyYo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ycBxKiGyYo&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

 

[Diapositivo]

Can somebody explain to me what the speaker in the original video says about pixels in electronic sensors being burned any time one takes a plane? (I'm not that good in understanding everything he says).

Does he mean that happens for every technology (CCD, CMOS, still, video) or only for some (only video? Only CCD which he mentions at the beginning?)

Does it seem to attribute the problem to depressurization, or to X-ray treatment? (In both case I suppose and hope it should apply only for cameras in checked-in baggage).

Most importantly, has anybody of you experienced anything similar with your digital camera, which you brought with you as carry-on baggage? I have a digital camera with all cells working well. Next time I take a plane I was thinking about taking the digital with me to avoid problems with X-rays and films, but what I hear in this video might make me change my mind!

Fabrizio

 

[Klainmeister]

Essentially he's saying that high energy gamma rays from the sun and the universe in general aren't absorbed by our atmosphere yet (since you're so high up) and hence it can penetrate just about any substance still and cause micro-electrical charges that fry the conductive nature of the photo cell.

I think that's rubbish. I've never heard or seen anything of that sort....think of how long we've been using digital technologies in space without this issue....

 

[Athiril]

Interesting additional videos to browse as well, some of the discussions on format choices are worth viewing, especially if you are a fan of 2.40:1 wide screen. One thing you'll notice about all the panelists is that they're old. Young cinematographers know almost nothing about recording on film, most don't know how the cameras operate when face to face with one. It has a different on-set tone too, as digital capture allows the camera to run and run. I think we'll really be in trouble when digital projection takes over. Once the prints stop being struck there won't be enough mp film being produced and processed to justify the relatively small amount used during actual television or motion picture production.

Print films are coated on the 'estar' base, and use a completely different emulsion and don't use the same developing agent as any of the other colour films.

Essentially he's saying that high energy gamma rays from the sun and the universe in general aren't absorbed by our atmosphere yet (since you're so high up) and hence it can penetrate just about any substance still and cause micro-electrical charges that fry the conductive nature of the photo cell.

I think that's rubbish. I've never heard or seen anything of that sort....think of how long we've been using digital technologies in space without this issue....

Not to mention all electronics are photovoltaic pretty much, just sealed from light. But if they can penetrate a camera body, they can penetrate the plastic film around a resistor or capacitor.

 

[BrianL]

Weel, he's convinced me. It is back to an all mechanical camera, learning the Sunny 16 rule so not electronics and film ISO of 25 so ther eis no chance of gamma or x-ray damage. Guess I was lucky to find that pre-Spotmatic Asahi slr a few months ago and have a coulple of others. Of course being all metal cameras, security will probably think it is hiding something and strip it down to the last screw.

 

[Aristophanes]

So is he saying that the Airbus A380 which uses external camera systems all over to monitor flight controls and performance, is (or should be) using film due to gamma rays?

Come to think of it, they could probably fit a mini-lab on an A380 or a 747. Has anyone tried to fit a into a Beseler into a 747 washroom...maybe do a little in-flight, gamma ray-proof imaging while on the trans-atlantic run?

I think Kodak would do best to show off the unique and interesting aspects of film rather than trying to discredit digital systems with internet folktale meme FUD.

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