Kodak Double-X 2405

snaggs · Nov 26, 2012

Ive just bought 5 x 150 rolls of this. Is this at all similar to the motion picture stock?

http://motion.kodak.com/motion/products/production/Black_And_White_Films/5222.htm

MartinP · Nov 26, 2012

That would be the stuff described in this Kodak link...

http://www.kodak.com/ek/US/en/Aeria...UBLE-X_AEROGRAPHIC_Film_2405_DISCONTINUED.htm

snaggs · Nov 26, 2012

Yes, I know its aerial film, but its got to be similar to other normal film lines. Aerial Tri-X was still basically Tri-X, Aerial Plus-X was based on plus-X and so my question was, what is Double X? Is it basically Tri-X?

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But it is the look of Double-X that makes it that little bit special and with users exposing it at and beyond its designed exposure index and in various developers, the images it produces are beautifully rich in tones and clarity.

Motion picture films using the Eastman B&W film stock (5222 & 5231) include: Schindler's List (1993), Memento (2000), Kafka (1991), I'm Not There (2007).

The opening black and white scene of the James Bond film, Casino Royale (2006) was shot on Double-X. The English Cinematographer, Phil Méheux, BSC, talked about the scene, in 2006, for the magazine of the American Society of Cinematographers. YouTube have the opening sequence online, a fuller version and the extended original intoduction with the cricket match scene! This was cut in the finished film.

Daniel.

snaggs · Nov 26, 2012

Found some interesting articles written by a film director Ryan O'Hara. Lots of details on Kodak B&W film stocks.

http://www.ryanpatrickohara.com/download/blackwhiteI.pdf
http://www.ryanpatrickohara.com/download/blackandwhitep2.pdf

And I found ONE photo on the internet comparing to Tri-X. Looks good!

Gerald C Koch · Nov 26, 2012

snaggs said:
Yes, I know its aerial film, but its got to be similar to other normal film lines.

Why does it have to be similar, because of the similarity of the names? The two emulsions are very different. Aerial films have a different spectral sensitivity which can be a problem when the film is used for general purpose photography. Their sensitiztion is designed to cut through haze.

polyglot · Nov 26, 2012

The Aerecon has extended-red sensitivity therefore a 2-stop filter factor with #25A instead of 3-stop. Hard to tell much from that comparison image since the contrast is different but maybe there's reduced green sensitivity. Maybe not.

Gerald C Koch · Nov 26, 2012

From the technical portion for this film.

Aerial film speeds (ISO A or EAFS) should not be confused
with conventional film speeds which are designed for roll
and sheet films used in pictorial photography. The
characteristics of aerial scenes differ markedly from those of
ordinary pictorial or ground scenes because of the smaller
range in subject luminances, atmospheric haze conditions,
and other factors.

The film might be useable but don't expect normal rendition of colors. The spectral sensitivity curve looks very strange.

ic-racer · Nov 27, 2012

snaggs said:
Ive just bought 5 x 150 rolls of this. Is this at all similar to the motion picture stock?

http://motion.kodak.com/motion/products/production/Black_And_White_Films/5222.htm

35mm? 5 boxes of 150 rolls? Five 150 foot rolls? Seem like an interesting project.

Gerald C Koch · Nov 27, 2012

Over the years Kodak has had a number of films named Double-X varying in format from 35mm to sheet film. AFAIK none of these have been the same emulsion.

snaggs · Nov 27, 2012

Well, we all know marketing departments do all sorts of things to "make new product". Its hard to know how much difference there really is. Anyways, there is one guy on flicker who's posted some photos. Certainly a nice rendition of the bridge.

Would be nice to see some portrait shots, I guess that will fall to me unless someone else here actually has some experience with this film as opposed to reading off the Kodak sheet?

polyglot · Nov 27, 2012

Is anyone else seeing ic-racer and Gerald's posts hidden above? I'm seeing Gerald at #7 (film speeds), two greyed-out boxes (ic-racer, Gerald at 11 minutes apart) then Gerald again ("over the years") as post #8. It's very odd.

AgX · Nov 27, 2012

These are deleted posts.

At least deleted posts look like these.

ic-racer · Nov 27, 2012

polyglot said:
Is anyone else seeing ic-racer and Gerald's posts hidden above? I'm seeing Gerald at #7 (film speeds), two greyed-out boxes (ic-racer, Gerald at 11 minutes apart) then Gerald again ("over the years") as post #8. It's very odd.

I deleted my post because the question I asked was answered in snaggs' other thread on 70mm film.

laser · Nov 27, 2012

Sixty or more years ago films with similar names may have indeed been similar. However, as applications changed and technology advanced the films also changed to satisfy customer needs. To learn about the film only concern your self with data generated on that specific film code 2405. Trademark names can be used on different products, the film codes are usually the best identifier. I say usually because some film codes can be reassigned after 10 year or longer period of not being used.

Bob
Author of: http://makingkodakfilm.com

StoneNYC · Nov 27, 2012

polyglot said:
The Aerecon has extended-red sensitivity therefore a 2-stop filter factor with #25A instead of 3-stop. Hard to tell much from that comparison image since the contrast is different but maybe there's reduced green sensitivity. Maybe not.

Is this true of all aerial films?

Should I be using a red 25 filter with a 2 stop adjustment on my GAF aero film?

~Stone

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Gerald C Koch · Nov 27, 2012

No these are deleted posts. IIRC these were once marked as such automatically.

Gerald C Koch · Nov 27, 2012

Haze reflects blue light and so extended red sensitivity is needed to see thru the haze. So I would say yes all aeriographic films have this property. This can be seen from looking at the spectral sensitivity curves for the films.

snaggs · Nov 27, 2012

Thankyou Bob! I shall read your site.

polyglot · Nov 27, 2012

I was confused because I'm used to seeing "post deleted by X because Y" but they're just blank rectangles and they have no sequence number attached to them. If you know for sure they're deleted, that's cool.

AgX · Nov 28, 2012

For some time the "deleted" reference has vanished from those post. There are a lot of these bugs around at apug by now.

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