Kodak done?

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I have always maintained this is the era of the digital apocalypse. A photographic dystopia. Considering the severity of the hit that the film photography took in gut, it's a wonder every day that anybody makes film at all. But it won't last forever. I think we've all known that.
 

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That means that Alaris has a 100% markup or 50% margin on cost of film from Kodak. That's an awful nice profit and explains why Kingswood bought Alaris. It also explains why Kodak film is so expensive at retail.

That is like saying that Eastman Kodak has an x% markup on all the triacetate, polyester, silver, chemicals, etc, etc.
The cost of the film from Eastman Kodak is only a portion - and a fairly small portion at that - of getting film from a small manufacturer in Rochester, New York to wholesalers and other market participants around the world.
 

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I think the coater in building 38 handles coating stuff other than film too, which would make this challenging.

If there are any former Kodak folk on the thread, correct me if I’m wrong.

Eastman Kodak has a steadily growing business incorporating its coating technology in non-photographic products.
In addition, of course, that building 38 production facility is what makes the various products that serve the motion picture film industry - an industry that Kodak Alaris has no capacity to service.
 

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I know practically zilch about the demise of Eastman Kodak Co as I always knew it. All I really knew is that the computer and digital came along and everything went to hades practically overnight with Y2K, 9/11, and all the rest of the tumult in those few short years. Apparently from what I know, a company called Alaris, which is nothing but a a private equity firm of bean counting Robert McNamara's came along and cherry picked a building still producing something they could harness for an entry for a shareholder's quarterly bulletin. It's not evil or greedy. It's just business. I get it. Then the 2008 crash was like a stake in the heart. There will come a time, sooner than later, I'm afraid, that this Alaris firm will hire a new young bright McNamara and Kodak film will join the dinosaurs overnight. These people play hardball. Every day we live may be our last, and that's a fact.
 

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Concerning, even though we have been here before more than once. The stone cold fact is that Eastman-Kodak make the only truly high quality colour negative film in the world right now. Everyone else is either out of the game or some years away from getting there...and getting there won't ever be a simple case of buying bits of Kodak knowledge or even buying the contents of Building 38.

Looking at several news stories, some run with the same 'Kodak not confident it can continue' while others, within the last 12 hours, quote Kodak as saying they are confident they can meet debt obligations.

All a bit confused and unclear right now...which is hardly what investors want to see....
 

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But patents don't produce film. People and physical infrastructure do.

In addition: A patent is published knowledge and the rights to exploit it end after 20 years. What's more important is the unplished knowledge and the inherent "knowledge" of people running a process on a production line, which in a large part isn't even considered as such let alone documented. If you shut down and send the people home, that's it.
 

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When someone says something like this, I always have to picture a gigantic excavator that picks up the Kodak film coating line including the bedrock several dozens of feet down below floor level and cart it over to another continent.

A gigantic excavator dos’n seem a good idea. Sorry I like pictures.

 
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