Kodak Color Plus 200 ( Kodacolor 200 ) vs Fujifilm C200 ( Fujicolor 200 )

kuparikettu said:

My experience with Fuji C200 has been a bit varied. For quite some time I thought it was a really nice cheap film, even though it lacked the 4th color layer. Now I'm not so sure anymore.

My guess is that there can be differences between C200 batches. Nothing too radical, but enough for me too decide that in our family only Portra and Ektar will be shot when it comes to color negative films.

Make sure you don't shoot those films or you too might become spoiled by their small grain and color!

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I am not as sure as I should have to be
but let me state now (just out of my mind) :C200 is probably NOT with Fujis
famous 4th layer technology.
But Superior200 devinitivly have 4 layers.
What is the advantage from 4 layers?
1) less sharpness because of a little more
thickness caused from an additional layer.But just in theory - in practice it could mean a very little more thin layers caused from advanced technology.
2) better colors because of a more information in the 4. layer ?
Just in theory - Fuji themselfes stated is is an advantage with Spezial light sources. To avoid greenish cast from neon tubes a.s.o.
Why does Kodak has no film with 4 layers? Because of better colour couplers?
It was (looking in historical concerns) the last big marketing strategy against Kodak.
Half a year later everybody "talked" about
digital photography - therefore Kodak has no care about thoughts to 4 layer technology.
So should we also no care about it ?
Let me say the following : The 4th layer is
just nice to have it - but the very more profit with these films is the modernest
manufacturing process - the improved emulsion technology.
And this means indeed a definitivly more
resolution and much "more" of small grain.
This is sean here in some statements of the discussion from people wog stated C200 is more grainy.
This may be indeed correct.I can't say so because I have not compared this special issue.
But before we blame C200 or Kodacolor 200 as two bad films with lousy characteristics - lets be faire!
We should better talk about real bad films
sorry to say because I like Ferrania as a new company very much but remember
Solaris color films!
I bought a lot of Solaris100 because of ISO 100 - but this films are ????
They are definitive films of characteristics we all expected from cheapest films in the past : cheap AND
lousy!
C200 and Kodacolor200 are cheap AND just great! !!
They both are with little finer grain than ISO 100 out of last Ferrania production.
But Notice : Kodacolor400 is a fully other item.
If you expose this film 1/2 stop under you also have heavy grain as last seen with
70th films.
So C200 is great, also with Kodacolor200
Kodacolor400 is - let me say ok !
But please just try E.I. 200 with the 400 Kodak or better use Gold400 (there are different names in some regions on this last emulsion)
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The 4th layer technology is probably much more of a marketing term rather than real. Colour film has more than 3-4 layers, infact, figuring about 16 or so. It could possibly be some adjustments in dyes, as commented earlier in the thread.

To add in some confusion to the comparison, Lomography CN 100 and 400 could be added. Comes in multipacks, but the price per roll is equal or cheaper to these brand films. The theory is that it is a consumer Kodacolor product manufactured for Lomo. VR100 and 400 which may or may not be Gold/Ultramax. The CN100 is rather curious because is the only 100 C41 aside of Ektar being made, though Kodak itself discontinued Gold 100 a long time ago.
I can pass by a Lomo Embassy store (Barcelona) every now and then, I want to try the 100 CN in 120.

I have tried C200 although it was 1 year expired and garden shed aged, found by a friend. The results were infact very good. Of course, scanner/digitation workflow has a very heavy influence in how the film looks aside of some baseline characteristics.
Local photostores do seem to carry mostly Color Plus or c200.

BTW, Superia 200 is supposed a notch above different than c200. I liked it quite a bit, and it is less grainy than c200. There is some status of it being discontinued but don't know the specifics. Perhaps grab a brick of it online?

Prest_400 said:

BTW, Superia 200 is supposed a notch above different than c200. I liked it quite a bit, and it is less grainy than c200. There is some status of it being discontinued but don't know the specifics. Perhaps grab a brick of it online?

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Superia 200 is indeed discontinued. In fact all Superia films except Superia 400 have been discontinued. B&H just a couple days ago reduced the price of their Superia 1600, presumably to sell off their remaining stock quickly before it gets too close to the expiration date.

Prest_400 said:

The 4th layer technology is probably much more of a marketing term rather than real. Colour film has more than 3-4 layers, infact, figuring about 16 or so. It could possibly be some adjustments in dyes, as commented earlier in the thread.

To add in some confusion to the comparison, Lomography CN 100 and 400 could be added. Comes in multipacks, but the price per roll is equal or cheaper to these brand films. The theory is that it is a consumer Kodacolor product manufactured for Lomo. VR100 and 400 which may or may not be Gold/Ultramax. The CN100 is rather curious because is the only 100 C41 aside of Ektar being made, though Kodak itself discontinued Gold 100 a long time ago.
I can pass by a Lomo Embassy store (Barcelona) every now and then, I want to try the 100 CN in 120.

I have tried C200 although it was 1 year expired and garden shed aged, found by a friend. The results were infact very good. Of course, scanner/digitation workflow has a very heavy influence in how the film looks aside of some baseline characteristics.
Local photostores do seem to carry mostly Color Plus or c200.

BTW, Superia 200 is supposed a notch above different than c200. I liked it quite a bit, and it is less grainy than c200. There is some status of it being discontinued but don't know the specifics. Perhaps grab a brick of it online?

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Thanks to this additional info prest400 -
my last thoughts by refering about the thickness of Fujis "4th layer" was some kind of grafics we all have posible seen
with a lot of layers and basis filters of color films.
In case of sharpness my thoughts have been in Kodachrome film (with color couplers in the CD ) therefore a very thin
"architecture" with kodachrome layers.
But I did not want to make it more complicate as probably ppossible.
Let's say Fuji named it 4th. layer to name an additional color information.
In real we have it to do with groups of layers to each color.
But I agree with you - "the last man standing" marketing and advertising campaign of Fuji before the digital "brake" - but not without inteligence -
such sort of campaign .....

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PS : May be the "colors" of Kodachrome are in the CD baths the couplers are in the emulsion well - I am not the best
K14 expert but it is of a kind of nice
interest- from my oppinion to "understand" some other issues....

I like kodacolor 200 quite a lot. It is cheap (2.5€) and it's great for small prints!
these are some prints I made the other day on kodak endura premier lustre paper. Size 13cmx19cm. Great colours IMHO!
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My prints have been pretty good with it.

I am looking to try some Kodak Professional Pro Image 100 next.

Minoltafan2904 said:

My prints have been pretty good with it.

I am looking to try some Kodak Professional Pro Image 100 next.

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I never got hold of it here in Italy. Is it sold where you live?

No, it is not available in Europe afaik, i will order it from Thailand via Ebay, i have found a seller that sells it with free shipping for 21 Euros / 5 rolls ( 35mm /36 exp. )

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-rolls-KOD...HIP/122560000224?_trksid=p2485497.m4902.l9144

Minoltafan2904 said:

No, it is not available in Europe afaik, i will order it from Thailand via Ebay, i have found a seller that sells it with free shipping for 21 Euros / 5 rolls ( 35mm /36 exp. )

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-rolls-KOD...HIP/122560000224?_trksid=p2485497.m4902.l9144

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cool, thanks for the link. I suspect this proimage could be the same stuff as lomo cn 100 as it is very similar to color plus 200...

I've been told it's very good stuff, certainly just looking on flickr at photos taken with it they seem sharper and have better colours than ColorPlus.

Minoltafan2904 said:

I've been told it's very good stuff, certainly just looking on flickr at photos taken with it they seem sharper and have better colours than ColorPlus.

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There are so many intervening variables when you look at flickr uploads, it is virtually impossible to come to any objective conclusion about the relative qualities of two different films (of similar light sensitivity).
You really cannot draw technical conclusions from that sort of collection of unrelated images.
Sites like flickr are great for revealing photographic trends and inspiration. And it is possible to use flickr to display poor facsimiles of the results of more objective tests. But you just cannot draw reliable conclusions about issues like colour fidelity, colour saturation, grain, speed, contrast, latent image retention, reciprocity, etc., etc. from random uploads from random photographers who used random cameras and random processing and random scanning and random post processing.

Well, that is true, but still i think you can draw a rough conclusion on what x films is like from flickr pictures.

Minoltafan2904 said:

Well, that is true, but still i think you can draw a rough conclusion on what x films is like from flickr pictures.

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Only if you plan to scan it.

Berri said:

I like kodacolor 200 quite a lot. It is cheap (2.5€) and it's great for small prints!
these are some prints I made the other day on kodak endura premier lustre paper. Size 13cmx19cm. Great colours IMHO!
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Well - it is quite cheap but it is time to buy it now. Because it is a little too cheap. Prices will increase I will not hope but I strongly believe

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trendland said:

Well - it is quite cheap but it is time to buy it now. Because it is a little too cheap. Prices will increase I will not hope but I strongly believe

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Since 2010, 2012 there have been a few 10, 15% price increases and if you fire up the wayback machine (archive.org) for some film selling sites; there is quite a difference that accumulated in prices plus some sorely missing products.
I think however that c200 and colorplus 200 will stay rather stable in price. 2.5€ is indeed rather cheap and it must be from a large retailer.
Perhaps do grab Superia 200, which is supposed to be a superior film to c200 and on the way out. This one I saw for 3.75€

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Prest_400 said:

Since 2010, 2012 there have been a few 10, 15% price increases and if you fire up the wayback machine (archive.org) for some film selling sites; there is quite a difference that accumulated in prices plus some sorely missing products.
I think however that c200 and colorplus 200 will stay rather stable in price. 2.5€ is indeed rather cheap and it must be from a large retailer.
Perhaps do grab Superia 200, which is supposed to be a superior film to c200 and on the way out. This one I saw for 3.75€

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I know - I have price lists from 2005 (overproduction) with many short runs.

And I can't have a lock on it again?

It will knok me out......

One example : 5x220 Agfa Optima 400
$ 6,99 ??????
It is like 10x120 or lets say 69,- cent Dach
roll.
135 c-41 films $-,49 ???? a.s.o.

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Oh sorry - have a look on it
- it will knock me out. .


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trendland said:

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One example : 5x220 Agfa Optima 400
$ 6,99 ??????

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Now I know how americans felt during the 1973 oil crisis. From very cheap to expensive!
1/10th of the current price. That is quite an extreme example. Thankfully at the moment prices seem to be rather stable, but of course to a low income graduate (me) getting some film is a bit of a stretch.

It was caused from suddenly less demand due to digital in 2003/2004 with high production rates from film manufacturers. (overproduction)
......indeed cheaper than films in the 70th.
Can't remember a color film at $ -, 49 ever. (1960 - 2005).

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