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Sad News, Kodak is closing its Australian factory.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/09/16/1095320897290.html?oneclick=true
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/09/16/1095320897290.html?oneclick=true
Thomassauerwein said:As traditionalists this is our opportunity to transform into an art based arena rather than having to be commercially dependant. I know I'm very excited about the changes, the biggest of which is there will be fewer and fewer people to compete with. Also equipment for the time being has never been cheeper so stock up and get ready this market change is a good thing.
Jorge said:.... I dont know the digital situation in Australia...but certainly here in Mexico, film is alive and well in the small formats.
Graeme Hird said:On the plus side for us, many pros that I speak to are migrating back to film. They are not being compensated for the time taken to proof digital images, so are now paying for labs to print their proofs from film - it's more cost effective.Cheers,
I'm in Perth.Brac said:Apparently Kodak have also purchased a 20% share in Lucky, China's largest film manufacturer and exchanged technologies. Now Lucky B & W film is being dumped (I can think of no other term) on the UK market. One leading B&W retailer is advertising 120 rolls both 100 ISO & 400 ISO at £1.18 each including tax, which is incredibly cheap especially as stuff coming in from outside the EEC would attract further duties.
There are of course no effective unions in China, working conditions are often appalling and health & safety is minimal. But soon I guess everything will be manufactured in China until perhaps the popilation demands better living conditions - that could be a long wait....
Brac said:Apparently Kodak have also purchased a 20% share in Lucky, China's largest film manufacturer and exchanged technologies. Now Lucky B & W film is being dumped (I can think of no other term) on the UK market. One leading B&W retailer is advertising 120 rolls both 100 ISO & 400 ISO at £1.18 each including tax, which is incredibly cheap especially as stuff coming in from outside the EEC would attract further duties.
There are of course no effective unions in China, working conditions are often appalling and health & safety is minimal. But soon I guess everything will be manufactured in China until perhaps the popilation demands better living conditions - that could be a long wait....
Brac said:What you say John is very revealing. I haven't bought any of the stuff and don't intend to do so. My concern is that by selling such a cheap product here, in what is a diminishing market, it is bound to reduce the sales of other manufacturers and in the present situation that would be a pity.
And yes I do consider the product is being dumped. Wages are relatively low in China with a compliant labour force which is why companies in the west (not just photographic) are flocking there to open factories (usually at the cost of jobs here). So a second rate product can be sold here undercutting drastically the prices of even the cheapest rivals. We have seen some of their colour film already and no doubt this will now be pushed more strongly.
I can't talk about the situation with the re-importation of Kodak film into the States as I have no knowledge. But as far as Europe is concerned I don't see any evidence of dumping by Kodak or Fuji. In fact Fuji have a sensitised goods manufacturing plant in Holland where the Supervia line comes from. Also Kodak have factories in UK & France, though sadly as already announced production of many lines is due to be chopped in these. Where film will then be sourced from remains to be seen but I don't expect to find 120 size Kodal film at £1.18 a roll!
jandc said:The market will decide if quality and variety wins out over cheap.
c6h6o3 said:(in a store no less!...would you even believe it?)
LOLFlotsam said:A store?
Flotsam said:A store? Isn't that one of those things that are made out of brick and mortar where people used to buy things way back in the olden times? I went into one of those once and no matter how much I waved my mouse around, my shopping cart didn't fill up. No wonder they didn't work out.
Doesn't that just warm the heart!127 said:I'm in the fortunate position of working at a University. Last year the student shop (where I buy my sandwiches at lunch time) STARTED selling sheet and roll film! It must be working out for them, as after a month they replaced the fridge they keep it in with one twice the size. Choice is limited to ilford and fuji, and it's little more expensive than mail order, but cheaper than the photography shop in town. They also do Ilford and Kentmere RC paper.
It's darn convenient...
(now if they only stocked Efke 100 in 127...)
Ian

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