Kodak Alaris Promoting Film

[Roger Cole]

There may be more hobbyists than professionals but how many hobbyists spend like a professional? On a 1-day wedding day someone will shoot anything from 20-50 or even 60 rolls. At my current rate I think I'll shoot 150 rolls this year (don't know where that puts me as a hobbyist whether I'm using a lot or not). A professional photographer (at least the few that I personally know shooting film) will easily shoot 10 times that. So ten of me is one of them, what would be more cost effective and important for your business to build a lasting relationship?

Funnily enough, from the people I know in person (not online via forums and facebook etc), I and the wife are the only hobbyists shooting film, yet I know quite a few professionals who are shooting film exclusively or are hybrid digital/film.



My mistake, I took the vocal minority as you say to be the norm in APUG

That may be the difference between the UK and Europe and Atlanta. I know several other hobbyists shooting film. I don't know, and couldn't find when I was getting married, a single professional doing so, at least as part of their professional work - some may dabble in film for personal work. I know Parker on here is an Atlanta pro, but I think - maybe he can confirm or not - all his paid work is shot digitally and the film is for himself.

 

[Xmas]

The pro hobby split may be a red herring my pro wedding specialist 2x M9 lots of asph lenses is now an enforced hobby photog who uses film.
Wedding photography here has died killed by iPhones and digital hobbiests.
But KA may not see a need for increased film sales it may be a cash cow they leave out in rain all night.
There was no film in some Ja shops last summer...
Similarly EK probably won't be doing much film R&D?

 

[film_man]

But KA may not see a need for increased film sales it may be a cash cow they leave out in rain all night.

That is the sad thing about it, they don't seem to care particularly about adjusting production towards smaller amounts in the future and making it viable long term. If Ilford can do it, if Ferrania can restart I just don't see why Kodak won't do it.

I read in another forum, someone went to Kodak in Rochester, there was some kind of tour and the tour guide was telling him to dump that old film stuff he was using (he had his film camera taking photos, I mean...you're in the Kodak buildling!) and just go digital, that's what everyone uses. What an idiot.

Oh well...I'll enjoy it for as long as I can, hopefully my kids will too.

 

[cmacd123]

there was some kind of tour and the tour guide was telling him to dump that old film stuff he was using (he had his film camera taking photos, I mean...you're in the Kodak buildling!) and just go digital,

I know a friend of mine had a tour at Kodak 20 years ago, and back then they made everyone check their cameras as they did not want anyone taking photos and gathering secrets.

 

[AgX]

As for prices, remember that the Kodak film is made in the US and shipped to the UK or wherever required for sales. Ilford (Harman), is sold directly in Europe. So, duties and shipping charges apply on Kodak Alaris products in the UK and all of Europe. In the other direction the same things apply for Ilford.

Do not overestimate import duties, or even their effect on the retail price.

 

[cmacd123]

Although a standrd shipping container crosses the Atlantic for under $2000, and that can carry a lot of film and paper.

 

[Xmas]

That is the sad thing about it, they don't seem to care particularly about adjusting production towards smaller amounts in the future and making it viable long term. If Ilford can do it, if Ferrania can restart I just don't see why Kodak won't do it.

In 2004/5 EK rationalised their production by closing all their lower volume film lines just retaining the high volume cine machine.
This optimised their profits while there was volume in the market.
there were some 400 personnel at EK Harrow film building now KA Harrow London U.K. majority redundant '04...
KA would need to make business case for profit for long term film sales...
That is the difference between ilford and Ferrani or KA, EFKE, and Afga Photo (holdings).
For example Agfa could make more profit by selling their machinery and paying the workers redundancy.
It is called capitalism and asset stripping - not nice for specialist workers.

 

[Xmas]

Although a standrd shipping container crosses the Atlantic for under $2000, and that can carry a lot of film and paper.

Ron was being nostalgic for good old days.

 

[MattKing]

KA is a privately held company, just like Ilford/Harman.

KA owns and controls the manufacturing facilities for their major products, just like Ilford/Harman.

KA also markets other products that are manufactured by others, just like Ilford/Harman.

We tend to associate Kodak more with those other products, whereas we tend to associate Ilford/Harman more with the products that they manufacture.

It would be fascinating to know, however, how the sales figures compare.

 

[Xmas]

The people I personally know are all over the place in the UK and Europe, Cornwall, Midlands, Portugal, Sweden, Austria and the rest but not in London. I think one of the higher profile people in London (though I think she recently moved to Ibiza) that shoot film are Polly Alexandre, BJP had a feature on her last year or so but I don't know her. If I was to look in online forums I participate that are related to film photography there are people all over Europe and tons in the US that are mostly wedding photographers.

Saying that only two weeks ago I bought a R3A from an italian living in Finsbury Park who is a hybrid pro shooter, shooting digital for wedding work and medium format for commercial stuff.

I think the best way to get a feel of things is to look up featured work on Instagram in film lab accounts as I mentioned in my previous post.

Well I'd forgotten about

Bollywood they shoot film in London occasionally
Jack Good still uses film - cine
Paul a college teacher who does fash in colour and portraits in mono. I can get a credit for Paul for pub work at need. Don't think he is a high volume user.
The art unis are large film users cause they enforce a film portfolio on students. Think the students sell their film cameras on to next years intake.
The majority film users around London are impossible/fuji...
Impossible advertise where I can see ads.

 

[Prest_400]

Kodak, as a whole (Motion, Alaris, etc); has redesigned their web slightly. Content is the same but the web design is lighter with more white and few coloured accents.
The icon used for the browser tab now is the red stylized classic "K" they had.


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[shutterlight]

Well I'd forgotten about

Bollywood they shoot film in London occasionally
Jack Good still uses film - cine
Paul a college teacher who does fash in colour and portraits in mono. I can get a credit for Paul for pub work at need. Don't think he is a high volume user.
The art unis are large film users cause they enforce a film portfolio on students. Think the students sell their film cameras on to next years intake.
The majority film users around London are impossible/fuji...
Impossible advertise where I can see ads.

Film use is generally only required early on. The thing about art school is that you become aware that a lot of great work both past and present has been done on film, and many learn for the first time that there are options past the same 3:2 format. Schools that have the funds have good scanning equipment, which makes it easier to use film.

 

[Xmas]

KA owns and controls the manufacturing facilities for their major products, just like Ilford/Harman.

Harman coats and finishes film KA just collects the profit.

 

[Xmas]

Schools that have the funds have good scanning equipment, which makes it easier to use film.

Eeeeek
Our art unis still have things called enlargers and new fangled things like auto print processors.
I learnt how to do POP when I was four.

 

[MattKing]

Harman coats and finishes film KA just collects the profit.

KA makes and sells large amounts of Kodak colour paper - their main product.

The film sales are helpful, and I'm sure will remain as long as they can buy film from Eastman Kodak, but the paper sales are critical to their plans.

 

[shutterlight]

Eeeeek
Our art unis still have things called enlargers and new fangled things like auto print processors.
I learnt how to do POP when I was four.

Pardon? I fail to see how that has much of anything to do with what I said. A lot of people in art schools still do black and white and use traditional printing methods. However, there are those like me who like using color film, scanning it, and making inkjet prints. Some make books from images made with film, or zines, or other forms of media.

 

[wblynch]

Color is very subjective and for the life of me, I cannot enjoy Portra film at all. It is far too yellow (I think). Whatever it is, I've shot maybe 5 rolls of Kodak color film in the past 3 years and many hundreds of rolls of Fuji 400H, 160NS, and Reala (sadly now gone). In short, I think that Kodak is a player in the color negative market but hardly the "best".

It seems to me that people's idea of good color film is dependent on their locale. The lighting conditions of different places on Earth can affect the results.

While many people in Northern Europe, China or Japan prefer Fuji's color, I find in California and Nevada, (and probably most of the United States), Mexico, the Caribbean and the Philippines - Kodak is preferable. Fuji looks dull and tinted way too magenta.

I know it's only my opinion/observation, but I do believe it affects our perceptions of film 'quality'.

 

[wblynch]

Also realize part of its our Arizona light conditions...

Ah. so I am not alone!

 

[fotch]

Harman coats and finishes film KA just collects the profit.

 

[Xmas]

Pardon? I fail to see how that has much of anything to do with what I said. A lot of people in art schools still do black and white and use traditional printing methods. However, there are those like me who like using color film, scanning it, and making inkjet prints. Some make books from images made with film, or zines, or other forms of media.

Quite but
i) You did not say color or colour on your post
ii) My chum at Uni uses colour paper the sample I have does not look like inkjet?

http://www.fujifilmusa.com/products...or_papers_printing_materials/preferred_paper/