Kodak 5222 double x in studional

Devis91 · Jun 11, 2014

Hi, i shot a roll of double x some days ago at a dance play in the evening.
I exposed it at 400 and now i can't find the developing time. I have at home only the studional/rodinal special developer and i normally use it at 1:32 dilution. But there are no developing data for double x at 400 + studional. Can you help me?

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darkosaric · Jun 12, 2014

Hi,

I see on digital truth:

Eastman Double-X (5222) ** Rodinal ** 1+50 ** ISO 400 ** 11min.

I hope it helps.

Regards,

Devis91 · Jun 12, 2014

darkosaric said:
Hi,

I see on digital truth:

Eastman Double-X (5222)** Rodinal** 1+50 ** ISO 400** 11min.

I hope it helps.

Regards,

Thank you, but infortunately i think that studional is totally different from rodinal

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AgX · Jun 12, 2014

Very different. Until short ago Studional was still manufactured by Agfa under the name TonalDev.

miha · Jun 12, 2014

Agfa Rodinal Spezial /Special is the same as Agfa Studional, isn't it?

AgX · Jun 12, 2014

It seems from the data given by Agfa.

Devis91 · Jun 12, 2014

miha said:
Agfa Rodinal Spezial /Special is the same as Agfa Studional, isn't it?

Yes it is

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darkosaric · Jun 12, 2014

Rodinal is cheap. Just buy small bottle of Rodinal, and use Rodinal special for films that have developing times listed.

Devis91 · Jun 12, 2014

darkosaric said:
Rodinal is cheap. Just buy small bottle of Rodinal, and use Rodinal special for films that have developing times listed.

Well, in this case i'll probably do this or buy the d96 that is a developer specific for double x

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darkosaric · Jun 12, 2014

It is always possible to make your own tests, but it takes film or two with unknown combination. And half liter of Rodinal (or APH09) is cheaper than two films .

frobozz · Jun 12, 2014

Devis91 said:
Well, in this case i'll probably do this or buy the d96 that is a developer specific for double x

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You can't buy D-96 developer prepackaged (and even if you could it would be in vastly too large a quantity for hand developing!) Kodak shows how to make it here on page 15-19:

http://motion.kodak.com/motion/uplo..._en_motion_support_processing_h2415_h2415.pdf

I've found that D-76 (or ID-11) is close enough. Rodinal is OK too.

Duncan

Mustafa Umut Sarac · Jun 12, 2014

Kodak D96 Recipe

Water, about 50°C (125°F) 750 mL
KODAK ELON Developing Agent 1.5 g
KODAK Sodium Sulfite (Anhydrous) 75.0 g
KODAK Hydroquinone 1.5 g
KODAK Potassium Bromide (Anhydrous)0.4 g
or Sodium Bromide 0.35 g
KODAK Borax (Decahydrated) 4.5 g
Water to make 1.00 L
pH at 25°C (77.0°F) 8.62 ± 0.05
Specific Gravity at 25°C (77.0°F) 1.069 ± 0.003

Xmas · Jun 12, 2014

Mustafa Umut Sarac said:
Water, about 50°C (125°F) 750 mL
KODAK ELON Developing Agent 1.5 g
KODAK Sodium Sulfite (Anhydrous) 75.0 g
KODAK Hydroquinone 1.5 g
KODAK Potassium Bromide (Anhydrous)0.4 g
or Sodium Bromide 0.35 g
KODAK Borax (Decahydrated) 4.5 g
Water to make 1.00 L
pH at 25°C (77.0°F) 8.62 ± 0.05
Specific Gravity at 25°C (77.0°F) 1.069 ± 0.003

It is one of the D76 clones but mixed up and replinished at 1+1 for auto replenish running cine film...

http://www.lostlabours.co.uk/photography/formulae/developers/devD76_variants.htm

although Ian does not acknowledge

It uses an 'optinium' solvent level like Microphen... and would be cleaner working than d76 from the bromide

It is not optimal for stock for small tanks as its pH will drift.

Gerald C Koch · Jun 12, 2014

D-96 is a low contrast developer for cine use. Since 5222 is intended for printing on high contrast positive stock it is important to consult Kodak's technical paper and determine the development vs Gamma.

http://motion.kodak.com/motion/Products/Production/Black_And_White_Films/5222.htm

The ISO ratings for this film also reflect the intent of producing a low contrast negative.

Xmas · Jun 12, 2014

Gerald C Koch said:
D-96 is a low contrast developer for cine use. Since5222 is intended for printing on high contrast positive stock this developer produces a low contrast negative. For still camera use a higher CI is desired for printing on papers.

The ISO ratings for this film also reflect the intent of producing a low contrast negative.

The 5222 data sheet which you can down load quotes a gamma of 0.6-0.7
Ilford times and temperatures are for a gamma of 0.62

The gamma for stills on grade 2 wet printing depends on whether you use a condenser enlarger or 'diffusion' I seem to recall dev suppliers used to quote two times.

I don't know how they control contrast on cine prints.

If you are only to scan Id suggest lower gamma.

The foot speed of film over fog does depend on dev time but not strongly, and the dependency is dependent on the developer.

I use 250 EI in Microphen, I seem to get finer grain than Hp5+ but coarser than Delta400.

It seems be a wide dynamic range film bit like HP5+ but the toe seems harder.

Note YMMV as these are subjective things without controlled H&D...

For its $ it is nice.

Gerald C Koch · Jun 12, 2014

Xmas said:
For its $ it is nice.

Yes I too like it very much. I rate it at an EI of 400 and develop it in HC-110 for my Saunders D6700. If you can find short ends the cost is even more economical. I also moune the loss of Eastman 5231 (Plus-X) and the long gone Eastman Panatomic-X.

When Kodak published RMS granularity for their films, 5222 was rated at 14 (very fine). At the same time Tri-X was rated at 17 (fine). Since Kodak reformulated Tri-X as 400TX and ceased publishing granularity ratings things are probably different.

When printing on positive stock the contrast of the print is determined by the contrast of the negative. Typically there is less control for cine films. This is why Kodak shows so many H&D curves and gamma values in the publication. It also explains why B&W cine films usually have an ISO for daylight and tungsten illumination even though the ISO's would be within the exposure latitude of a still film. Correct exposure is more important for cine films.

Xmas · Jun 13, 2014

Devis91 said:
Hi, i shot a roll of double x some days ago at a dance play in the evening.
I exposed it at 400 and now i can't find the developing time. I have at home only the studional/rodinal special developer and i normally use it at 1:32 dilution. But there are no developing data for double x at 400 + studional. Can you help me?

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@Devis91

I model D96 as a D76 near clone but mixed up at 1+1.

So 7 mins @ 21 for 5222 in D96
& 10 mins @ 21 for FP4+ in D76 1+1 EI = 125

means that you could try x0.7 times the time for FP4+ in your soup.

Suggest you need to use an Agfa dilution to keep the FP4+ time near to 10 mins. There is an Agfa PDF file with dilutions...

google agfa film datasheet

And this is a starting point but it is how I got a time for Microphen. The cine machine times would be low cause they use continuous agitation etc., ...

I use an EI of 250 incident dome on Caucasian face
125 for non Caucasian and Microphen is 1/3 stop faster than some. 5222 is between plusx and trix.

5222 is nice.

Devis91 · Jun 21, 2014

I found an italian industry that has copied the d96 formula, so now i have it! Any suggestion for developing times of double x at 400 asa?

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PhotoJim · Jun 21, 2014

D-76 works very well with 5222, by the way. It's my standard developer with this film.

One of these days I intend to tinker with PMK and 5222, but it's on a long list of projects...

Scandium · Jun 23, 2014

Double-X Development

Double-X makes a fine general purpose film. It works well with most B&W developers. Because it is designed for the lower gamma used by the movie industry, the negatives may appear a but drab, at first. The contrast can be raised by extending development until the contrast fits your printing procedures. The extended development can give a small effective speed increase with some developers.

Here are the developers and times I use:

[table="width: 500"]

Developer
EI
Dilution
Temp Deg. C
Time Minutes

DD-X
400
1+4
20
9

HC-110
800
1+15 (H)
20
24

HC-110
500
1+15 (H)
20
15

HC-110
250
1+15 (H)
20
11.5

Microdol
250
1+3
20
16

Microdol
250
1+1
20
13

[/table]

Most of my B&W work is on Double-X at EI 250. It provides just the right speed for street and travel photography.

Glenn

Kodak 5222 double x in studional

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