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Does the outcome of the film photography war effect your attitude towards its survivors? For instance does Minolta's demise and Sony's hoovering up the remains make you less likely to buy one? Does Canon's adoption of plastic lessen your admiration for the marque? Did Olympus's dream of a compact 35mm SLR system ultimately come to naught? Did Pentax lose their way after the manual focus models?

Does understanding a camera's place in the evolution of photography inspire you to buy one, or reject it as passing phase in the charge to technological perfection?
 

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I don't know much about the other marques but I think Olympus did succeed in producing a compact SLR system. The OM series cameras and lenses are very compact. That's one of the reasons I like them so much. Many of the other manufacturers went on to plastic but Olympus did not and the last of OM series were titanium. However, they became increasingly niche as other manufacturers went on to autofocus and plastic. The OM series started to look outdated but for me it is still a very fine system without features I consider unnecessary but with sophisticated spot metering (I have too many OM4-Tis and an OM3-Ti prior to that I had an OM2n)
 

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Does understanding a camera's place in the evolution of photography inspire you to buy one, or reject it as passing phase in the charge to technological perfection?

The former, perhaps. However, when I buy something like a Canon FTb or Minolta SRT-101, it is mostly because I became interested in those cameras when they were new but could not afford one.

As for something such as a Leica III or Nikon S2, I think what compels me to buy one is its straightforward mechanical competency and the knowledge that nothing like that will ever be made again.
 

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The two constants in life are death and taxes. That applies to businesses as well (except Beretta, which seems to have survived longer than the Roman Republic did).
 

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Hudson's Bay Company, or more correctly:
“the Governor and Company of Adventurers of England trading into Hudson Bay” (still their legal name).
Royal Charter granted May 2, 1670.
Besides their Canadian department store chain, they own other businesses, including Saks Fifth Avenue.
I don't think knowledge of their place in history matters much to me. Knowledge of what they could and can still do does matter, as does my experience with them when they were current.
 
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I don't know much about the other marques but I think Olympus did succeed in producing a compact SLR system.
The first camera I bought with my own wages was an OM1 back in the 70's. I couldn't imagine who bought some of the lenses in those famous OM system adverts. Like many other manufacturers Olympus diluted its heritage with some real AF dogs in later years, and only recaptured its niche with M43 digital.
 

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The first camera I bought with my own wages was an OM1 back in the 70's. I couldn't imagine who bought some of the lenses in those famous OM system adverts. Like many other manufacturers Olympus diluted its heritage with some real AF dogs in later years, and only recaptured its niche with M43 digital.

Actually I was having a clear out and found an old newspaper with a big advert for I think an OM1 (maybe it was an OM2). The newspaper was from the 1970's. The camera could be supplied with either the 50mm f1.8 or the 50mm f1.4. It was very expensive! I did consider scanning the advert and posting here but the newspaper is so dusty I am reluctant to put it near my scanner. Might just take an iPhone snap. I still think that about some of the more exotic OM lenses. There are often 3 versions (or at least 2) of a particular focal length and the super fast versions remain very expensive (and they are much heavier). When the T-grain films at ISO 400 came out I really did not think I could justify any of those very fast variants. The only one I have is the middle 50mm at f1.4. I wanted that because it is just rather lovely.
 

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Actually I was having a clear out and found an old newspaper with a big advert for I think an OM1 (maybe it was an OM2). The newspaper was from the 1970's. The camera could be supplied with either the 50mm f1.8 or the 50mm f1.4. It was very expensive! I did consider scanning the advert and posting here but the newspaper is so dusty I am reluctant to put it near my scanner. Might just take an iPhone snap. I still think that about some of the more exotic OM lenses. There are often 3 versions (or at least 2) of a particular focal length and the super fast versions remain very expensive (and they are much heavier). When the T-grain films at ISO 400 came out I really did not think I could justify any of those very fast variants. The only one I have is the middle 50mm at f1.4. I wanted that because it is just rather lovely.
My first slr was an OM2, 1978, it was an 18th birthday gift. I always coveted the 80 f:2, but could afford the 100/2.8 - which was a very nice lens.
 

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I think that, with very few exceptions, film cameras went off the rails with the introduction of plastic, then electronics, then autofocus.
 
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My first slr was an OM2, 1978, it was an 18th birthday gift. I always coveted the 80 f:2, but could afford the 100/2.8 - which was a very nice lens.

I also coveted the 80 f2 but to this day I have never had one. I got the 100/2.8 early on (second hand). It’s a lovely lens. Tiny.
 

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Dammit, things just haven't been the same since they stopped making albumen paper :laugh:

There are some really great film cameras with no plastic, no electronics and manual focus, most of them use sheet film :whistling:
 

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I also coveted the 80 f2 but to this day I have never had one. I got the 100/2.8 early on (second hand). It’s a lovely lens. Tiny.
I think you mean the 85mm f/2.0.
And I agree, it is arguably my favourite all time lens. I've used and enjoyed it for decades.
Even though the 35mm f/2.0 spends more time on various OM bodies.
That being said, I went out today with the 24mm f/2.8 on my OM-2n and a goal of taking photos in the forest.
The 24mm might seem like an unlikely choice for that subject, but it was an interesting day, and I'm looking forward to developing the negatives.
I may, however, regret using black and white. We will see.
 

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Many nice thoughts in this thread, also some interesting asides. As an expat Canuck now living in Australia, I've learned some new things about the HBC, which I shopped in when I lived in Montreal, half a century ago.

A few scattered thoughts to add to the others.

Now there's film but also digital. Two entirely different mind-stretchers.

Everything in life and the world moves on. Times waits for nobody. We are now well into the digital age, but then, wonder of wonders, film has survived and (overlooking a few major setbacks over the years) is even moving on, with new emulsions being introduced (while old ones kick the bucket). Ebb and flow, I think it's called. Or the Law of Gravity. Or whatever.

As a half-half (F&D) photographer (leaning more and more to the F side) as I move into my 70s and my life shortens along with my cash reserves, I'm trying to critically think out my moves as go. Making do by using my gear for both is essential to my frugal nature (I'm an 'OAP').

tdr1, albumen paper you can make yourself at home. I'm not sure it's worth the bother or the effort, but my point is, you can if you want to. Home made Tri-X, well, good luck to you

My !life hasn't been the same since Kodak discontinued Panatomic-X and Plus-X Pan. Now Acros may be on the execution list. What next, Tri-X?

In the not-too-distant future we may all end up shooting Ilford or other European brands or Chinese emulsions. But then so what? Film is film. Qs Mao Zedong once famously said, who cares what color a cat is, if it catches mice it's a good cat. For now, my cat's name is HP5...

Young(er) photographers love to mix-and-match gear, films, darkroom chemistry, printing paper, you name it. As we all did. Moving along in life becomes more an exercise in simplifying. Not necessarily minimalism, but making things easier and simpler.

As a Nikon shooter, I use my D lenses (18 to 300) on my D700 (the entire range) and my Nikkormats (the 28 and mostly telephotos). Three of my four Rollei TLRs are bayonet 1 so one set of accessories fits them all. My home darkroom is uberminimalist and functions with a limited range of (once very expensive) equipment and chemistry. Film is bought in bulk when I can find a bargain.

I bought a demo D700 from a reliable dealer in Melbourne in 2012. It's plastic but it was engineered, designed and built like a water buffalo and has produced almost 200,000 images. I use it for color work but side by side with a Nikkormat (EL or FT2). Later this year, if I get a good deal on it and can justify the extremely high price, I MAY replace the D700 with a Nikon DF which (like my Nikkormats) is made from cast iron. 16MP suits my way of shooting. My photo dealer is urging me to consider the D800 instead, which he says is just as good and considerably cheaper. We'll see.

My days are growing longer and whichever Nikon D I buy may well be my last one for this trip around.

I don't object to plastic gear if it's well made, but to me having it serviced is more an issue. My brief relationships with Canon ended when I found my Dwhatever (it was so long ago, I've forgotten the model) didn't consistently give me the results I wanted, also with Sony when they screwed me up over their so-called "service" when basic repairs to our two top-of-the-range Vaios would have cost more than the laptops did, so we dumped them and gave up buying Sony anything.

MattKing, nobody ever regrets using black-and-white. Most of my color negatives (and many of my slides) pre-1990 are fading or have faded out. My B&W negatives are as they were when they came out of the tank. My partner's young nieces and nephews shoot digital or iPhone images, but they adore my B&W work and many of our kin have my prints hanging in their homes. No generation gap there.

I hope this thread will go on, I've found it very mind-stimuating.
 

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... Film is film. Qs Mao Zedong once famously said, who cares what color a cat is, if it catches mice it's a good cat. For now, my cat's name is HP5...

I hate to correct what is otherwise an excellent posting, but the gentleman in question was Deng Xiaoping, as you can see:

不管黑猫白猫能抓到老鼠就是好猫。-- 邓小平
 

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MattKing, nobody ever regrets using black-and-white.
Well...
Sometimes colour simply requires colour.
From approximately the same location a couple of years ago:
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Does Canon's adoption of plastic lessen your admiration for the marque?

No it does not. The marque has many, many laurels to reflect on, and besides which, diversification of manufacturing at Canon started decades ago.
I have only ever used L-series lenses, but Canon makes lenses affordable to the masses, not just the cashed-up, hence the plastic mount series lenses and the el cheapo film cameras of the mid-1990s

Does understanding a camera's place in the evolution of photography inspire you to buy one, or reject it as passing phase in the charge to technological perfection?

It's just a tool, no more and no less than a Makita impact drill is to a tradie, and he could select anything based on the proven reliability and functionality he needs.
I used all systems, starting with Olympus and ending with Canon (which I still use) and Pentax. Nikon equipment is just as good, but it would not get friendly with my small hands as well as the Canons, and in regard to small hands, Olympus hit off quite well with its OM-series cameras and unsurprisingly I bought all of them over time, the last being the OM4. Today, I'm less interested in what cameras do, and what names they carry, and more concerned with ongoing availability of lenses, their reliability and repairability.
 

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不管黑猫白猫能抓到老鼠就是好猫。-- 邓小平 !?!?!

Indeed. So it is. How could I have missed it?

Ever humbly, I acknowledge my error.

May I say, Theo Sulphate, I am honored to be corrected by you.
 
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In the 70s, cameras and related kit was ever so expensive. Housing was cheap though. Now it's the other way round.

During a bad attack of GAS I believed that I needed a certain £200 lens to improve my photography. (Over a months take home wages at the time.) Got next weeks edition of Amateur Photography and the regular column of Victor Blackman had a very nice portrait of a child on a beach. Yeah that's the sort of photo I want to take. Looked at the info. 'Quarter frame crop from a Kodak Instamatic negative'. No more GAS. For a while anyway.
 
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During a bad attack of GAS I believed that I needed a certain £200 lens to improve my photography. (Over a months take home wages at the time.) Got next weeks edition of Amateur Photography and the regular column of Victor Blackman had a very nice portrait of a child on a beach. Yeah that's the sort of photo I want to take. Looked at the info. 'Quarter frame crop from a Kodak Instamatic negative'. No more GAS. For a while anyway.
I recall wanting a long telephoto for my 5 x 4 camera. If only I could shoot large format chromes through this 800mm lens all my photographic desires would be fulfilled. Fortunately the phase passed.
 

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I think you mean the 85mm f/2.0.
And I agree, it is arguably my favourite all time lens. I've used and enjoyed it for decades.
Even though the 35mm f/2.0 spends more time on various OM bodies.
That being said, I went out today with the 24mm f/2.8 on my OM-2n and a goal of taking photos in the forest.
The 24mm might seem like an unlikely choice for that subject, but it was an interesting day, and I'm looking forward to developing the negatives.
I may, however, regret using black and white. We will see.
Thanks, 85 it is - I seem to have a mental block when it comes to that focal length. I switched from Oly to Nikon in the early 90s. The 85 f:2 I now use is a J9 in Kiev rf mount, it's become one of my favorite lenses. Typical old Sonnar, wonky wide open, sharpening up beautifully after f:4 or so. I've been waiting for a good deal on an 85 Nikkor.

As for cameras, I prefer metal mechanical cameras with at most manual metering. Never liked plastic anything with the sole exception being plastic model aircraft, WWI models of course. However, last summer the camera fairy brought a Maxxum 7000 outfit - 50 f 1.7, beercan zoom, dedicated flash, and all paperwork from the original owner. I loathed these cameras when they were new, but this thing works, it's very easy to use in all modes, even the zoom is decent! I've had a great deal of fun with it, it's so very 1985! Plus it has historical significance.
 
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