Ole;
IDK, but most older paintings are of generally good quality. Today's paintings and art are speckled with lots of trash, so my generalization was just that.
PE
g'day Michel
i don't know for sure about artists in other fields but it seems from my experience that photographers are too obsessed with technique, materials and equipment
on this site there is very little, if any, talk on art and aesthetics but lots of chats on stand developing, Leica is the best, what is the greatest lens lens ever made, blah, blah, infinite blah
Ray
Not at all. There's an abundance of people who practice careful old glazing techniques, just like there are pl/pt photographers. Its just that most of the attention goes to innovators of content. As it should be.
Ray, Alden; Well said!
I guess it was because I grew up in the same town with Andy Warhol and went to the same High School. Maybe that ugly mill town influenced us both in different ways. I certainly don't care for Warhol's art. I've been reading and looking at art exhibits and am distressed by what some consider art such as a chair and light in an empty room with one lightbulb and a switch. Or things that are too disgusting to mention used to 'paint' on canvas. And, these people are given grants by governments. These people, btw, are called innovators of content.
PE
g'day Michel
i don't know for sure about artists in other fields but it seems from my experience that photographers are too obsessed with technique, materials and equipment
on this site there is very little, if any, talk on art and aesthetics but lots of chats on stand developing, Leica is the best, what is the greatest lens lens ever made, blah, blah, infinite blah
Ray
Go here: (there was a url link here which no longer exists) to see a very nice photograph. It has mood and works for me, but then look at the 'art' on the walls. The three artworks are what I mean. The question is what do they mean.
PE
PE, this must be this article:
http://photo.net/learn/color_myths.html
You are dispensed from the assignment if you wish, and can spend the year drawing in your corner of the class...
Go here: (there was a url link here which no longer exists) to see a very nice photograph. It has mood and works for me, but then look at the 'art' on the walls. The three artworks are what I mean. The question is what do they mean.
PE
Alden;
I have studied the masterpieces of art of Japan, Russia, Egypt and even the art of the Maya. In fact, I have texts and photo essays on much of this work including the masterful book on the art treasures of Tutankhamen. I have studied the photographic art of many of the masters. I was a "George Eastman House Associate" for many years and got their yearly photo essay books which I avidly read and appreciated. I have also viewed many masterpieces by the artists of the 1500s forward. I know what I like, and I don't like wasting time either reading about or viewing something that is visually distasteful. I have done research and I am on another level. It is just not the one you are on apparently. You are welcome to your level and I'm happy with mine. I mean no offence, but merely remind you that one can have studied art and still not be appreciative of something that another person likes.
In the words of a famous person "I know what I like and that ain't it!"
PE
Michel;
I agree with you to an extent. At one time, pedestrian did not get full wall display in a room in a gallery as those two got.
I guess I'm just getting a bit of ennui over pedestrian art. I feel it is getting too prevalent and still too much hype. The other stuff that is dying out, as you point out, should never had a life to start with. That is another part of the point I am trying to make.
Not to put too fine a point on it but...I have no myths to break down, but my thoughts on the art part of this discussion:
IMO, there is a degree of "craft" in photography that requires a level of competancy to produce good aesthetic works. So, talk of technique, equipment, and materials speaks more to the "craft" side of things and is a necessity, perhaps an annoying one at times, but nonetheless, part of it. Coinciding with that is the skills of the photographer and his own sense how art can be produced with his knowledge of the craft.
I don't concern myself with art history or anything like that so forgive my ignorance, but IMHO, I don't believe there is as much a dependecy on "craft" in painting or drawing. It is, I believe, a innate talent possessed by the individual that is present regardless of all other considerations.
An individual like that can take what is in his mind and put it straight onto the canvas. Whereas a photographer must route what is in the mind through many other considerations of equipment and through knowledge of his materials "before" it can be a successful print (to him or her that is).
JMO
Chuck
Photographers? Obsessed with gear? Man, hang out with some guitarists.
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