Kids and film

Cholentpot said:

Slightly post kid here,

A lot of us who grew up with film use film on our off time. We own DSLRs for serious stuff but carry a proper camera for fun times, and always have some sort of compact in our pocket.

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Interesting. I use film for “serious “ as well as frivolous stuff and use digital mostly for temporary documentation. I like to travel with relatively small cameras rather than humongous digital cameras.

A question about vocabulary. When I was growing up, folks in their twenties were considered to be adults. The redefinition probably the result of Obamacare which defined 26 year olds as kiddies. The other word is “hipster”. Those of us who appreciated be-bop and cool jazz (cool is now used to define the complete opposite of what it once meant) were called hipsters because we were hip to the sounds of the new sounds of jazz and was not used as a derogatory term if you were hip. My impression is that “hipster” now means a type of pretender. Perhaps someone can clarify this for me.

Hipster basically meant the same thing. But instead of being into be-bop and cool jazz, they were into other styles of underground (not generally played on the radio) music, usually dance beats created with synthesizers and manipulated samples. They also had their own fashion, included things like mustaches, tight jeans, and anything else their parents wore during the 1980's were cool to them. But that's just a gross generalization. I was a musician in the later part of the last decade and early part of this decade, so I while I wasn't a hipster myself, I was around enough to be familiar with the scene. And to be fair, the hipster movement has been over for a long time now. These days, it's mainly just a derogatory term by cynical older people to describe teenagers and young adults in general. It's not a word that teenagers and young adults use anymore.

As for film v. digital I tend to switch back and forth between them, but have a definite hierarchy that depends on the job. I tend to use film (120 and 4x5) for most of my serious personal work. I feel that film adds value to a photograph. It requires more skill, or at least a different set of less common skills, so it's important to get it right the first time. This not only add difficulty, but it makes for a more engaging process. It's the difference between a sculptor carving something out of stone by hand, and having a CNC machine or 3D printer make it for you. I can do a lot more to rescue a photo with a computer than I can in a darkroom. That's why I use digital for most of my commissioned work for customers. If someone's paying me ahead of time, I want the greatest flexibility and reliability. I also want to keep my costs down, and digital allows me to take nearly unlimited photos without spending a dime on film or developing chemicals. If I'm shooting just for fun, I usually like to bring a 35mm film camera along. Film is just more fun to use, and since I'm not relying on the shots for income, I'm not too disappointed if something doesn't come out right. And if I'm just out and about and suddenly decide I need to take a photo in a situation where I wasn't planning on needing a camera, I have my digital camera on my cell phone.

guangong said:

Interesting. I use film for “serious “ as well as frivolous stuff and use digital mostly for temporary documentation. I like to travel with relatively small cameras rather than humongous digital cameras.

A question about vocabulary. When I was growing up, folks in their twenties were considered to be adults. The redefinition probably the result of Obamacare which defined 26 year olds as kiddies. The other word is “hipster”. Those of us who appreciated be-bop and cool jazz (cool is now used to define the complete opposite of what it once meant) were called hipsters because we were hip to the sounds of the new sounds of jazz and was not used as a derogatory term if you were hip. My impression is that “hipster” now means a type of pretender. Perhaps someone can clarify this for me.

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Kid as in when you're in your 40's someone who is in there 20's is a kid. Sure they are adults but you still look at them as kids. I'm not in my 40's yet so I'm slightly post kid.

Also, I ain't no hipster. I don't think hipsters see themselves as hipsters.

jim10219 said:

These days, it's mainly just a derogatory term by cynical older people to describe teenagers and young adults in general. It's not a word that teenagers and young adults use anymore.

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In these parts, the word is mainly used by teenagers and young adults to describe anyone with interests outside the cultural mainstream or who wear something that looks retro. Hell, I've been called a hipster for wearing a scarf with a parisian knot, go figure.

Cholentpot said:

Kid as in when you're in your 40's someone who is in there 20's is a kid. Sure they are adults but you still look at them as kids. I'm not in my 40's yet so I'm slightly post kid.

Also, I ain't no hipster. I don't think hipsters see themselves as hipsters.

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Being in the forties is long behind me. When someone is in their twenties I consider them to be adults and treat them as adults, not kids. What amazes me is grown adults in their 40s and 50s still behaving like teeny boppers. Three strands of gray hair held together by a rubber band as a remnant of some guys ponytail who still believes he is 14 years old. His companion with swollen ankles hanging over her Birkenstocks. I suppose you could call those kids.
While one can never predict when the grim reaper will show up, for a depression kid I am still in good working order except for hearing in high frequencies, which I find annoying because I cannot hear the beep from my Gossen Digisix. But I don’t need auto focus yet.

guangong said:

Being in the forties is long behind me. When someone is in their twenties I consider them to be adults and treat them as adults, not kids. What amazes me is grown adults in their 40s and 50s still behaving like teeny boppers. Three strands of gray hair held together by a rubber band as a remnant of some guys ponytail who still believes he is 14 years old. His companion with swollen ankles hanging over her Birkenstocks. I suppose you could call those kids.
While one can never predict when the grim reaper will show up, for a depression kid I am still in good working order except for hearing in high frequencies, which I find annoying because I cannot hear the beep from my Gossen Digisix. But I don’t need auto focus yet.

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Back in the bad 'ol days a man in his late 20's was expected to be married raising a family with a job and owning a house. Not so much these days.

Until you have solid responsibilities you're still a kid.

Got any Depression stories for me? I like hearing the grit, my grandmother came through Ellis during the height of it and has some hair raising tales. (You don't eat the peel of a banana!?)

Cholentpot said:

Back in the bad 'ol days a man in his late 20's was expected to be married raising a family with a job and owning a house. Not so much these days.

Until you have solid responsibilities you're still a kid.

Got any Depression stories for me? I like hearing the grit, my grandmother came through Ellis during the height of it and has some hair raising tales. (You don't eat the peel of a banana!?)

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On this point we agree. It’s hard to describe mellenials even as kids, more like very large infants who expect everyone else to be responsible for them. Mellenials cross streets without looking, eyes glued to phone ecreen, depending solely on driver’s ability to stop on a dime. In kindergarten we were taught to look both ways...even for one-way streets. Just one of many typical examples.

When I first read this thread’s title I thought it was about little children in primary school becoming interested in photography.

About hipsters. When rock n roll first came on the scene all my friends believed it was a fad like the hula hoop and silly putty and would soon pass. How wrong we were. Sixty plus years it’s still here. What disappeared into small nitches was music. Jazz, classical, opera, symphonic have only one channel each on Siriusxm compared with dozens offering r&r. As time went by stores that sold musical instruments (except for electric guitars and drum sets) began to disappear . Many of these were huge stores., such as a very large store on 23rd st in Manhattan that sold brass and woodwind instruments. It’s not just camera stores that have closed. 59th st contained a whole row of piano and harp stores, just as 32nd street had a row of camera stores. Same is true of art supply stores. All gone.

One benefit of arts such as photography is that it teaches us to observe the changing world around us.

guangong said:

On this point we agree. It’s hard to describe mellenials even as kids, more like very large infants who expect everyone else to be responsible for them. Mellenials cross streets without looking, eyes glued to phone ecreen, depending solely on driver’s ability to stop on a dime. In kindergarten we were taught to look both ways...even for one-way streets. Just one of many typical examples.

When I first read this thread’s title I thought it was about little children in primary school becoming interested in photography.

About hipsters. When rock n roll first came on the scene all my friends believed it was a fad like the hula hoop and silly putty and would soon pass. How wrong we were. Sixty plus years it’s still here. What disappeared into small nitches was music. Jazz, classical, opera, symphonic have only one channel each on Siriusxm compared with dozens offering r&r. As time went by stores that sold musical instruments (except for electric guitars and drum sets) began to disappear . Many of these were huge stores., such as a very large store on 23rd st in Manhattan that sold brass and woodwind instruments. It’s not just camera stores that have closed. 59th st contained a whole row of piano and harp stores, just as 32nd street had a row of camera stores. Same is true of art supply stores. All gone.

One benefit of arts such as photography is that it teaches us to observe the changing world around us.

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Try to find an accordion repairman these days. To a man accordionists refused to teach any rock or pop to their students, as such the whole field died.

I think the convenience of online shopping killed camera and other stores. Why pay some marked up price when I can buy straight from Canon in Japan?

... were called hipsters because we were hip to the sounds ..... “hipster” now means a type of pretender. Perhaps someone can clarify this for me

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I have no clue but it makes me think of: