KENTMERE Range Update : From HARMAN

PHOTOTONE · Apr 30, 2009

There are SO MANY papers being produced now for Inkjet printing, it would seem that some of those stocks could be adapted to traditional photo paper coating. But I am no engineer.

Thomas Bertilsson · Apr 30, 2009

Or do liquid emulsion. It's a lot of fun, and you can choose any paper you want.

- Thomas

Mark Layne · Apr 30, 2009

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Mark

Trevor Crone · Apr 30, 2009

PHOTOTONE said:
There are SO MANY papers being produced now for Inkjet printing, it would seem that some of those stocks could be adapted to traditional photo paper coating. But I am no engineer.

I have to agree, and look at the fine papers made by Fabriano and Arches surely something could be used?

Photo Engineer · Apr 30, 2009

None of those FB papers are baryta papers and therefore would be difficult to use.

The RC papers are not suitable for other reasons, but with modification could be used.

PE

PHOTOTONE · Apr 30, 2009

Photo Engineer said:
None of those FB papers are baryta papers and therefore would be difficult to use.

The RC papers are not suitable for other reasons, but with modification could be used.

PE

But does a fiber paper have to be baryta? Bergger was offering a paper, I believe it was called Silver Supreme that was coated on a fine-art paper, like Strathmore. It seemed to work OK.

Photo Engineer · Apr 30, 2009

Yes, it could be coated on Strathmore. I use Strathmore myself, but you have to get used to its surface and tint. It is different. It is also softer to work with and offers coating chalenges due to the nature of the paper itself.

PE

PHOTOTONE · Apr 30, 2009

Photo Engineer said:
Yes, it could be coated on Strathmore. I use Strathmore myself, but you have to get used to its surface and tint. It is different. It is also softer to work with and offers coating chalenges due to the nature of the paper itself.

PE

Well, that is exactly what we are all lamenting here. The demise of DIFFERENT surfaces and tints, and if emulsions can effectively be coated on papers other than baryta, then that opens up a less-expensive way to diversify a product range into specialty surfaces and tones.

Alex Hawley · May 1, 2009

I've had the opportunity of printing on PE's handcoated paper, both strathmore and arches watercolor. I enjoyed both. The strathmore gives a slight warm tone while the. The texture of the watercolor is very pleasing. If I could coat myself, I believe these would be my favorite paper bases.

PHOTOTONE · May 1, 2009

Alex Hawley said:
I've had the opportunity of printing on PE's handcoated paper, both strathmore and arches watercolor. I enjoyed both. The strathmore gives a slight warm tone while the. The texture of the watercolor is very pleasing. If I could coat myself, I believe these would be my favorite paper bases.

If these papers are available from the MILL in rolls of suitable length and width, then they could be coated, I'm sure by a major manufacturer.

Photo Engineer · May 1, 2009

PHOTOTONE said:
If these papers are available from the MILL in rolls of suitable length and width, then they could be coated, I'm sure by a major manufacturer.

It is easier for you to type this in, than it is to carry out in practice. Believe me! That is like saying that you can make a car out of Aluminum and then saying that since you can mold plastic you can therefore make one out of plastic. Well, yes, but the uses are limited to certain parts. You cannot use plastic in hot engine parts (yet).

The papers mentioned place the emulsion in direct contact with the fibres and this changes keeping, sharpnes, speed and a whole host of other charateristics.

This begs the issue of surfactant and absorption effects of the different papers.

PE

Matt5791 · May 2, 2009

Don't Ilford (Harman) offer a Baryta coated FB inkjet paper?

http://www.harman-inkjet.com/products/producttype.asp?n=11&t=HARMAN+PHOTO+Baryta+FB

Matt

railwayman3 · May 2, 2009

Matt5791 said:
Don't Ilford (Harman) offer a Baryta coated FB inkjet paper?

http://www.harman-inkjet.com/products/producttype.asp?n=11&t=HARMAN+PHOTO+Baryta+FB

Matt

Yes, and it's excellent paper too, looks and feels very like a "real" print.

It's my own choice at the moment while I'm temporarily without a darkroom....I feel slightly less guilty using this while I have to work at the scanner and printer rather than the enlarger.

Rob Skeoch · May 15, 2009

I asked my Ilford rep for an up-date on the Bromide family of papers. It took him a few days to get the latest answer but this is it.

Ilford is sitting on a large inventory of Bromide in grades 2,3,4 in the UK. The Canadian distributor of Ilford products does not keep much inventory (they never did) but are happy to order it in. The paper I have on order is slowly coming in.... it does have to get shipped from the UK to Canada.

I believe this product is like a number of traditional products on the market.... you can get it but must plan ahead because it isn't in stock at your local dealer. If you want Bromide just order it, but plan ahead.

-Rob

Tom Kershaw · May 15, 2009

Rob Skeoch said:
I asked my Ilford rep for an up-date on the Bromide family of papers. It took him a few days to get the latest answer but this is it.

Ilford is sitting on a large inventory of Bromide in grades 2,3,4 in the UK. The Canadian distributor of Ilford products does not keep much inventory (they never did) but are happy to order it in. The paper I have on order is slowly coming in.... it does have to get shipped from the UK to Canada.

I believe this product is like a number of traditional products on the market.... you can get it but must plan ahead because it isn't in stock at your local dealer. If you want Bromide just order it, but plan ahead.

-Rob

Your comment relating to multiple grades being available is interesting as only Kentmere Bromide Grade 2 is marketed in the UK.

Tom.

Thomas Bertilsson · May 17, 2009

Are you referring to Kentona, Tom? Or is the 'Bromide' paper really just available in one grade in the UK? That would seem strange since there are three grades available. Interesting.

The good news is that at least Kentmere Bromide will be available for the foreseeable future by virtue of large stock.

- Thomas

Ian Grant · May 17, 2009

There was a point when Freestyle in the US, who owned the Kentmere.com website, were listing paper grades no longer available at that time in the UK. This was the Bromide paper, when I asked Kentmere I was told that the whole production had been made to order for the US market, basically if someone paid for it all upfront at that time they'd have made Kentona in more than one Grade again too. This was 2 or 3 years before the Ilford takeover.

Incidentally the new Kentmere website is now up and running with all the data-sheets for films & papers, and showing 3 grades of Bromide paper. It is possible the position might change now with regards to availability of more than one grade in the UK, we'd need to ask Simon.

Ian

Tom Kershaw · May 17, 2009

Ian,

The situation with Kentmere Bromide is still slightly confusing as Simon R Galley hasn't yet commented on its availability or status in the product range.

Tom.

PHOTOTONE · May 17, 2009

Tom Kershaw said:
Ian,

The situation with Kentmere Bromide is still slightly confusing as Simon R Galley hasn't yet commented on its availability or status in the product range.

Tom.

Thats not really surprising. If they have a vast warehouse full of it, I'm sure they are interested in selling it for full price as long as they can. Hence, even though they "may" have no plans to do another "run" of it, they are (I'm sure) eager to keep it as a current SKU until supplies dwindle down.

I will speculate that there will be NEW Kentmere papers eventually, that can be easily manufactured on Harmons coating line.

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