Kentmere film "?" Maybe Mr. Galley will know.

[JMC1969]

I have seen lots of threads and info on Kentmere papers, but I need development times for Kentmere 100 & 400 films. The inside gives times for Ilford development products, so a guess can be made, but I have Sprint on hand along w/ T-Max RS. The "Massive Dev Chart" doesn't list these films.

Thank You,
Jody

 

[Steve Smith]

Kentmere make film? I thought it was just paper.



Steve.

 

[Ian Grant]

Kentmere never made films, Ilford did sell un-named 100 & 400 ISO films and these could have been packaged as Kentmere by Freestyle the US Kentmere distributor. Freestyle sell Kentmere chemistry, again Kentmere never manufactured chemistry

Ian

 

[JMC1969]

We received this film from the Ilford distributor for the USA.

The box reads:

CAT 6010465
24ºC
(75ºF)
DXN
24x36mm 36exp
ISO 100/21º
Made in England
(5 more languages)
Harman Technology Ltd
Mobberley, Cheshire UK
www.kentmere.co.uk

 

[jim appleyard]

Well, you learn something new every day.

 

[Brian Jeffery]

Looks suspiciously like PAN 100 and PAN 400 re-branded.

 

[JMC1969]

Okay. I have never heard of PAN 100 & PAN 400 are these the same thing as Delta 100 & 400 just named differently for Europe vs US? We do have Pan F.

 

[Steve Smith]

Looks suspiciously like PAN 100 and PAN 400 re-branded.

That's what I was thinking but I had temporarily forgotten what it was called!


Steve.

 

[Ian Grant]

Those were the un-named films I referred to, so that would make sense.

Ian

 

[JMC1969]

Not that it makes a difference but we are buying through Wynit because they are the sole (?) distributor for USA.

 

[Steve Smith]

This might help: https://www.silverprint.co.uk/pdf/ilford_pan_100_400.pdf




Steve.

 

[pentaxuser]

Okay. I have never heard of PAN 100 & PAN 400 are these the same thing as Delta 100 & 400 just named differently for Europe vs US? We do have Pan F.

I don't think so. PAN 100 and 400 were/are sold by a mail order company called Firstcall in the U.K. I cannot recall what the website said about these two films but I cannot recall it saying it was D100 and 400 by any other name.

If I am right, this will only be important if you are expecting it to be like D100 and 400 in looks and characterisitics and base your dev times etc on the Delta times.

If you buy with the expectation that it is D100 and 400 then I'd check carefully before processing.

Contact with Harman might be worthwhile

pentaxuser

 

[Brian Jeffery]

Okay. I have never heard of PAN 100 & PAN 400 are these the same thing as Delta 100 & 400 just named differently for Europe vs US? We do have Pan F.

As I understand it, and I may be wrong, these are tweaked versions of FP4 and HP5 that are more tolerant to higher temperatures. These films are the only Ilford films I've seen for sale in Budapest, whilst they are both for sale in the UK at FirstCall and now Silverprint.


Brian

 

[AgX]

For those two films see also:

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

 

[JMC1969]

According to the sheet Steve supplied, they are a full minute in difference from the Delta series. I would be good If I knew that the Kentmere was the PAN 100 & 400 because I now have those times. Interesting how things work though and I like to know in my head what is what.

 

[pentaxuser]

Brian's comments are now "ringing bells" I think that Firstcall's owner actually admitted as much as Brian has said. Steve Smith's very useful link to the Harman pdf on both films gives dev times and I'd be surprised if they differ much from HP5+ and FP4. I am almost certain they are "old style" films rather than Delta types.

pentaxuser

 

[Alex Bishop-Thorpe]

What an interesting turn of events. I've always been curious about Pan 100 and 400, simply because I've never found them locally. Where'd you find it?

 

[Steve Smith]

Comparing the times for FP4+ in various developers as printed inside a film box with the PAN 100 developer times in the PDF I posted a link for shows very similar times.


I think the PAN 100 and PAN 400 times in the PDF or any FP4+ or HP5+ times in the massive development chart would work fine.



Steve.

 

[GrantR]

Kentmere 100 is definitely not a t-grain film--I ran some test rolls last week, and it looks a lot like FP4+. I'm going to have to do some more tests though I think--the grain was huge when I developed it and the negative itself was fairly flat looking in stock D76. The film itself is also extremely thin, but hey, the film's $3 for 36 exposures!

 

[Simon R Galley]

Dear All,

You APUGGERS are pretty quick......!

I was going to post the announcement when product was in the shops ( we did'nt want people going to shops when it was not in stock ):

KENTMERE film is absolutely BRAND new, 2 new emulsions, 35mm only, at a competitive price, it is not a 'rebadged' ILFORD Film, I think I have stated many times WE DO NOT SUPPLY PRIVATE LABEL even to a BRAND we own.

These products are just launched now in the USA and CANADA and are available via our exclusive distributor in the USA for all KENTMERE products, WYNIT Inc, and AMPLIS in Canada...

Please note : These products are just starting to ship into distribution now, so check with your reseller that it is in stock before you go and try and buy, it takes a while to be delivered and put on computer till systems etc, etc,

I will be pleased to get feedback once you have tried these new products.

Kind Regards

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

 

[Chris Nielsen]

Awesome news, hope I can get some down here in NZ at some stage

 

[wogster]

Dear All,

You APUGGERS are pretty quick......!

I was going to post the announcement when product was in the shops ( we did'nt want people going to shops when it was not in stock ):

KENTMERE film is absolutely BRAND new, 2 new emulsions, 35mm only, at a competitive price, it is not a 'rebadged' ILFORD Film, I think I have stated many times WE DO NOT SUPPLY PRIVATE LABEL even to a BRAND we own.

These products are just launched now in the USA and CANADA and are available via our exclusive distributor in the USA for all KENTMERE products, WYNIT Inc, and AMPLIS in Canada...

Please note : These products are just starting to ship into distribution now, so check with your reseller that it is in stock before you go and try and buy, it takes a while to be delivered and put on computer till systems etc, etc,

I will be pleased to get feedback once you have tried these new products.

Kind Regards

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

Okay before some else does I'll make you annoyed with me, you probably already are after reading my C41 comment in another thread.

So when are the 120 and sheet sizes going to be available?

 

[Tom Kershaw]

How do the characteristics of these films compare to HP5 Plus / FP4 Plus, and the Delta series films? Is there a reason why I might use the Kentmere films apart from lower unit cost?

Tom.

 

[Simon R Galley]

Dear Paul,

I never get mad with any APUGGER ! : We have no plans to launch 120 or Sheet film variants at this stage:

Dear Tom,

The characteristics of this film are obviously unique, but they are conventional emulsions as opposed to CCG ( Contrllled Crystal Growth / DELTA type ) emulsions.

Regards

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

 

[Jerevan]

Will these films be sold in Europe, or is this aimed at the North American market only?