Keeping Film in the Public Eye

Damn, that's a lot of film!

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Thanks, and yes they are my photos, someone was using my nick, so I had to choose a different one. It was from my first analogue holiday.

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You're welcome, they are beautiful ones. I was under the impression they were older images, didn't realise they were current until RM posted here.

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They will not. People don't stalk stranger's closets any more. They use internet.

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Indeed. I got asked to email Polaroid images recently -when I handed over the print!

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I can imagine being in an emerging market like India there's no film there. There was none in Nepal! Thankfully I brought a whole lot of me. This is photo of only half of the film I took with me. I had another bag with more BW 120, 35mm and and instax film for the locals.

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Haha, yes. India we jumped a couple of hoops technology wise in some sectors. Cameras and landline phones being very prominent -neither were too prominent before , now digital SLRs/cameras and mobile phones everywhere. (of course difficult for a film user like me, but photography is accessible to a much wider audience now)

Did you insure that stack of film? Looks like at least 150 rolls in one bag?

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Really, I do NOT think it is a good idea to join up with yet another online forum about film. To what purpose? The critically important thing is to concentrate your efforts away from the keyboard by actually photographing, whether it be with film or digital — I don't damn well care. Online forums are time wasters. How many of you have actually sold photographic work(s) in the last week!? A lot of film shown on a forum does not to me equate to a lot of photography: how much of it is actually printed, framed and sold?

I will leave Fred Miranda to his jabbering keyboard jockeys. I have photography to do. And plenty of it.

Thank you for that reminder.
Back to the camera then.

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Poisson Du Jour said:

Really, I do NOT think it is a good idea to join up with yet another online forum about film. To what purpose? The critically important thing is to concentrate your efforts away from the keyboard by actually photographing, whether it be with film or digital — I don't damn well care. Online forums are time wasters. How many of you have actually sold photographic work(s) in the last week!? A lot of film shown on a forum does not to me equate to a lot of photography: how much of it is actually printed, framed and sold?

I will leave Fred Miranda to his jabbering keyboard jockeys. I have photography to do. And plenty of it.

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Well... you do have enough posts here to prove your point

How I spend most of my time is learning about photography. That's by studying art, photos, the non-technical side of it etc... I also do take photos, but I'm not going to until the next 2 nights...

Selling photos? I don't, I have a day job which pays for it. Getty asked me for some of mine, but I'm not interested.

Forums are a side thing and time waster. It's especially handy one on a bus/train since my commute is 1.5 hours long.

There is always more that unites us than divides us....

Be passionate, never prejudiced.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

Poisson Du Jour said:

Really, I do NOT think it is a good idea to join up with yet another online forum about film.

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FredMiranda.com is not a film forum. It's 99% digital. There just happens to be a small bunch of film users there who maintain a presence.

Poisson Du Jour said:

To what purpose?

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I explained quite clearly in my original post what the purpose was. Did you miss that or just not read the first post?

Poisson Du Jour said:

The critically important thing is to concentrate your efforts away from the keyboard by actually photographing, whether it be with film or digital — I don't damn well care. Online forums are time wasters. How many of you have actually sold photographic work(s) in the last week!? A lot of film shown on a forum does not to me equate to a lot of photography: how much of it is actually printed, framed and sold?

I will leave Fred Miranda to his jabbering keyboard jockeys. I have photography to do. And plenty of it.

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Funny, you seem to be here writing this post. To show someone film at FM, here is what it takes.

1. Go to the alt. forum at FM.
2. Click New Topic.
3. Type the name of the film and camera. (Optional)
4. Paste link of image.
5. Hit post.

Takes about 10 seconds.

PKM-25 said:

...I am...DONE here...I am deleting my gallery and signing out for good...

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PKM-25 said:

...good night and good light.

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This leads to two questions:

1. Will Dan be back, yet again?
2. How many of Dan's "grand exit" posts will Sean allow? I'll not bother searching the archive to find his earlier ones, but they are manifold.

For the record...

Dan and I have been in contact outside of APUG after this thread wound down. Everything is fine between us. He's a very focused individual who takes what he does very seriously. As are we all in each of our respective professional fields.

Because of this it turned out not to be my "taunting" characterization that bothered him so much as the implication that professional photography was somehow not the degree-of-difficulty equal of some other professions. While I still believe that characterization to be true, I do understand the nature of the offense taken.

I am also quick to point out that I recognize what I do for a living has no corner on the difficulty market either. It too is also easily eclipsed by many other more difficult fields populated by those who are much smarter than I. Such is the nature of random distributions. There can be only one most-difficult and one least-difficult. All the rest of us are lumped somewhere in between.

At least in my ideal world, everyone here would feel free to argue their contrasting points of view strongly. Challenge each other's assertions. Give logic and evidence to support their own. Go at it tooth-and-nail as an academic exercise.

But at the end of the day still respect each other and each other's differing opinions strongly enough to shake hands and walk away when it's over without any residual hard feelings or anger. In such an ideal world Ignore lists would never be required.

This is where Dan and I currently are.

Ken

Sometimes I think Dan looks like APUG as something like a dinner with extended family.

You want to attend, and get really frustrated when you do .

All of us have different opinions about how best to help film. Some of those opinions overlap. And some involve criticizing how others are handling things.

To my mind, the biggest thing that Kodak Alaris could do to help Kodak film (and chemicals, and colour paper) is to fix the distribution system, so people could be sure about finding product on the shelves of stores and websites of internet retailers when we go to look for it.

That includes re-establishing the dealer support resources that dealers and end-users need.

And that is really time consuming, backroom work, not easy to promote to the end-user customer.

Once there is improvement there, it makes sense to promote to the end-user customer.

I think there are some signs of this happening. I was in Lens & Shutter's main Vancouver store yesterday. They had newly packaged (in Germany) Kodak T-Max developer, as well as good stock of other, new Kodak darkroom chemicals. As I understand it, the retailers around here have been having problems obtaining inventory of Kodak darkroom chemicals. I hope this is a sign of a positive change.

I didn't think to ask about film.

The guy at Denver ProPhoto told me the other day that their 2013 film sales were double 2012.

PKM-25 said:

there is a really bad vibe here at times, people would rather blast Kodak than promote film.

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The vibe of any internet forum or internet comment area is determined by what you decide to focus on. Reminds me of story a Buddhist monk mentioned. He built a wall using 1,000 bricks, and at the end he realized a brick was not right. He felt the entire wall was ruined by this, yet another monk said to him "why focus on that one brick when 999 bricks are perfect?". We spend a lot of time looking at the one crooked brick when there is so much around us that is good. With over 68,000 registered here, never let a few vocal characters weigh you down or dictate the vibe you get. Focus on those participating in a positive way, the rest should be water off a duck's back, ignored or "don't feed the trolls". Just my 2c

Simon R Galley said:

There is always more that unites us than divides us....

Be passionate, never prejudiced.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

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This is the thing. All the photographers I know in real life shoot digital. There is no way to discuss film, either because they never used it, or got out of it years ago. There isn't even a working darkroom in my town.

So, an internet forum about film photography seems the perfect solution?

Well, maybe not. At least not if it is filled with petty squabbling.

But I guess that most people who shoot film in spite of digital, are great individualists. And those will hardly ever agree on anything?

Simon R Galley said:

There is always more that unites us than divides us....

Be passionate, never prejudiced.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

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Sage words. And it sums up nicely that it's best to just show our very best film work in an as positive light as possible.

Jaf-Photo said:

This is the thing. All the photographers I know in real life shoot digital. There is no way to discuss film, either because they never used it, or got out of it years ago. There isn't even a working darkroom in my town.

So, an internet forum about film photography seems the perfect solution?

Well, maybe not. At least not if it is filled with petty squabbling.

But I guess that most people who shoot film in spite of digital, are great individualists. And those will hardly ever agree on anything?

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That's exactly why I'm here. I can't find the information I need locally never mind within my own network of people. The things we passionately debate about only shows how committed out interest in the craft is. I'd rather have someone shouting I'm wrong than no one shouting at me at all LOL...

PKM-25 said:

Ratty, keep the vibe good bud, I am done here, deleted all my gallery images, attachments, I just can't take the crapfest anymore.

I sincerely wish you all the best...

Good bye,

Dan

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Really, this is just bullshit. This says nothing about the apug community and everything about Dan. He just didn't belong here anymore. He probably should have left a long time ago and never recognized it. I wish him all kinds of success in his career. Apug became a drag on him. It's good for everybody that he has left.

I hope that when it is my time to leave, I recognize it and just stop posting without any big public splash.

There is no "bad vibe" here.