Jobo getting out of processors?

Robert Hall · Jul 13, 2006

Fotohuis said:
@ Robert Hall: I didn't know you were I.R. specialist. They look really good. I can only suggest to try the Rollei IR-400 film, available in 35mm, 120 roll film and 4X5". (Monochrome only... )

You know, what would make my day is to know if I could get more 12x20 IR. They cut some for me a few years ago, but haven't seen any since.

(and btw, I do shoot some c-41 8x10 from time to time, and some of my best 4x5 work is color, it simply hasn't been shown)

roteague · Jul 13, 2006

SusanK said:
I've spent the past hour (it's a slow day at work) keeping an eye on this thread, as well as searching others for information about Pyrocat HD in a Jobo processor. Wow, have I ever learned a lot. My attitude has definitely swung back around to being positive. I'll be ordering some Pyrocat HD in Glycol soon (I learned in one of the threads that P-cat HD in Glycol has a longer shelf life and b/c I work a day job, I don't shoot/process enough film to utilize the P-cat HD in water before it dies).

And, you can always ask Sandy King your questions about Pyrocat. He is a forum member, and a downright nice guy.

roteague · Jul 13, 2006

Fotohuis said:
The problem is how to ship/pay and the reliability which is not always too good.

There is also the voltage problem; the US is on 110V 60Hz.

Fotohuis · Jul 13, 2006

Most modern power supplies are switchable or in the mean time full voltage and cycle independent.
I do not know the type of motor used in a Jobo CPE or CPP machine, that could be a problem. Earlier versions will be certainly a problem due to the voltage and frequency.

The Heiland TAS processor runs on an external 24V DC full voltage range, frequency independent adapter. It runs with a DC motor with pulse width control so this film processor will not give any problems at all.

In the mean time the voltage in Europe is 230/240V - 50 Hz. That's also one of the reasons the older machines are dieing faster (220V - 50 Hz).

pelerin · Jul 13, 2006

TheFlyingCamera said:
<SNIP>
Do you know if they have a direct US distributor?

Heiland is handled in the US by Versalab ( see: http://www.versalab.com/server/photo/photo1.htm ). The website does not show the film processor, but I know of someone who obtained one through them (albeit some time ago). They are nice folks, seem helpful to me and willing to go the extra mile to make sure you are satisfied with the products they represent. New Jobo processors are still available through normal US distribution.
Celac.

Jorge · Jul 13, 2006

Susan, just a quick comment on your processing. I think the 2:2:100 solution of Pyrocat HD would be too hot for roll film if you are printing in silver. The 2:2:100 solution is mainly used by those of use who are doing alt printing and require far more contrast than you would need for enlarging. I would suggest you keep everything the same but use the 1:1:100 Pyrocat solution.

As to the Jobo, dont fret, I too am one of those that swore never to do tray development again, recently the lever for the lift broke, I too the part to my machinist and he made me a metal one that will last for a long time. Jobos are very simple machines and barring something goes wrong with the electronics they are easily fixed.

SusanK said:
Hands down.... you are the most supportive group I've ever had the pleasure of bumping into !!!

I've spent the past hour (it's a slow day at work) keeping an eye on this thread, as well as searching others for information about Pyrocat HD in a Jobo processor. Wow, have I ever learned a lot. My attitude has definitely swung back around to being positive. I'll be ordering some Pyrocat HD in Glycol soon (I learned in one of the threads that P-cat HD in Glycol has a longer shelf life and b/c I work a day job, I don't shoot/process enough film to utilize the P-cat HD in water before it dies).

I'm also considering pulling out the plastic to purchase a new CPP processor while they're still available. My theory being: 1) I don't have the time to babysit an eBay auction, and 2) I want a processor that's going to last, not one that's had half it's useful life burned up by someone who may not have taken good care of it. I hate credit card debt but, at 35 years old, I have plenty of working years ahead of me to pay it off. Now, if the Oriental light head on my enlarger doesn't die, I'll be set... otherwise, I'm looking at $2500 for an Aristo light head. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

Another thread that caught my interest was Zero Image 2000 pinhole cameras. Gorgeous cameras and very interesting images that come out of them. I've enjoyed reading everyone's opinion on the change in creative perspective that pinholes can offer.

One quick question on the Pyrocat HD in a Jobo.... from what I've read, I gather that I'm looking at processing dilution/times/temps for FP4+ (EI-100) of:

2:2:100 (I use 500ml of developer),
68 degrees,
5 min. rotary prewash,
9 min. develop (-20% if I do a long exposure at EI-64),
30 second water wash,
5 min. Ilford rapid fix,
NO rebath,
20 min. water wash

This is how I've processed FP4+ w/ PMK. If I'm wrong, please correct me. I'll shoot a few rolls in my backyard and process them before busting my butt to get a composition that I'd like to put on my website and then potentially screw it up in processing.

My heartfelt thanks to all of you ! Yesterday I was ready to dump everything and say, 'To heck with it!' Deep down that's not at all what I want to do. I enjoy my time in the field and in the darkroom.... the learning curve.... the frustration of figuring out why a print isn't working out the way I envisioned.... and the 'No one can touch this!' feeling when the same print finally does come together. There's a sense of pride in the effort that analog photography requires, pride that no one w/ a digital point-and-shoot camera will ever comprehend.

SusanK

SusanK · Jul 13, 2006

Hey, thanks for pointing that out. I print only on fiber base paper, no AZO or anything. Everything I had read about the 2:2:100 dilution didn't mention that it was for alternative processes.

So, are you saying that I can use "HD" at 1:1:100...? Or should I use a different letter designation of Pyrocat (I've seen several but, don't know what they're intended for)...?

Jorge · Jul 13, 2006

SusanK said:
Hey, thanks for pointing that out. I print only on fiber base paper, no AZO or anything. Everything I had read about the 2:2:100 dilution didn't mention that it was for alternative processes.

So, are you saying that I can use "HD" at 1:1:100...? Or should I use a different letter designation of Pyrocat (I've seen several but, don't know what they're intended for)...?

The glycol solvent is just so the developer will last longer, you still mix it as if it was "HD", which in fact it is still is, unless you ordered some of the new formulations. So yes, you should use Pyrocat at 1:1:100 for silver printing. Good luck, I think you will like the results....

Donsta · Jul 13, 2006

Susan

I concur with Jorge (it's sure easier than arguing with him....) - use 1:1:100 for silver prints. I would look at Sandy's article on www.unblinkingeye.com - you will find a lot of useful info about Pyrocat HD and some good starting points.

SusanK · Jul 13, 2006

Donsta said:
Susan

I concur with Jorge (it's sure easier than arguing with him....) - use 1:1:100 for silver prints. I would look at Sandy's article on www.unblinkingeye.com - you will find a lot of useful info about Pyrocat HD and some good starting points.

Jorge ~ Thank you, I appreciate the advice.

Donsta ~ I'll remember what you said about not arguing with Jorge !

dancqu · Jul 14, 2006

SusanK said:
My preference would be analog and to have been born earlier.
SusanK

I use a time machine. See H. G. Wells' The Time Machine
for instructions. On occasion I Zip into the present. I just
received ten rolls of Fuji Acros from Freestyle. Dan

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