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I know we all love relaying stories of jammed hassies...I also understand it rarely happens unless you have no idea what you’re doing, and you try to remove and re-attach a lens to an uncocked body/shutter. So, here’s my dilemma.

I recently bought a barely used 500cm classic kit off the bay. A day or two after purchase, I messaged the seller and asked when they were planning on shipping it. They responded that they “accidentally got the lens stuck on the camera “, and were trying to take it off before shipping it. Odelay!!!!

I convinced them to bring it to Hasselblad in NJ (they live one town over), and let a technician handle it.

My fear is that they’ve damaged something internally by trying to force the lens off. Have any of you experienced a Hasselblad, either body or lens, needing repair after a particularly bad jamming experience??
 
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I don’t understand the premise of this thread... story telling or addressing your “problem”. The former bores me so I’ll address the latter. Tell the seller that given the circumstances you want your money refunded. Find another to buy.
 

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I had a 500c that jammed often. It needed a CLA. I had the CLA performed by my local tech, and it came back and worked fine, for about six months. Then the rear shutter started acting up and I had to have a spring replaced. I sent it to David Odess, and he told me it couldn't be repaired. It was one of the early ones, and he said that the parts needed for it were hard to come by and it would require as much to have it repaired as it would to buy another one, in better condition. Around that same time, I also had a shutter on a lens jam. I was told by my local camera repair guy that some of the internal parts had become too badly corroded and he would need to purchase a donor lens to get the spare parts to repair it, and all of that would take a few months and cost too much money.

So I sold all my Hasselblad gear, of which I had a lot. What I found was they were extremely well built, but also very precise instruments. And like anything that relies on that much precision, they don't like to run smoothly if not in top condition. A lot of people crow about how reliable they are, but in my experience, that camera system gave me more trouble than any other I've encountered. I liken them to a Ferrari. They're exceptional when working in top condition, but they're not nearly unbreakable workhorses like a Honda or Toyota (or a more simply designed camera with less moving parts). They require regular maintenance, which isn't cheap. But if you're willing to put forth the time and money, they're really unequaled in their field.

Now, my 500c came from an old professional photographer who made his living off portraits. So it's likely it saw more use and abuse than most. And it's just one person's experience, so you can't gleam much from that. And it's likely that a single jam won't cause any issues. They make a tool especially for dealing with jammed Hasselblads in the field, after all. It's a semi common problem, that's usually rectified quickly and without issue. However, if it jams often like mine and the seller's not being straight with you, it could be a sign or more problems to come.

Point is, you can't really tell from the information you have now if it's a one time issue or a reoccurring one. So if you're worried about getting a lemon, this might be a sign to back away and find another. At the very least, it sounds like the previous owners don't know a whole lot about this camera. These aren't cheap cameras, and while they can be glorious when working properly, they can also be an expensive nightmare (as I found out). So unless you got an amazing deal and are willing to take that risk, it might be wise to look elsewhere. Preferably find one with a recent CLA, as that can be quite costly on those cameras, and it usually costs more to have it done after you purchase it than before. In the end, these aren't budget cameras made for people looking to save money. Their top quality cameras made for people willing to spend top dollar for high end gear. It's like a Rolex, not a Timex. And the cost of owning a Rolex doesn't go away after you purchase it. Not if you plan to keep it for a while.

I'm sure there will be many people who argue with me on this. There always is when it comes to Hasselblads. But it's the truth about what happened to me, and my opinions formed from it.
 
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Jim- I appreciate you sharing your experiences. I had a similar experience with my first 500c about 25 years ago, which led to me selling it, and the slew of lenses I had collected up for it.

The camera in question now is what looks to be a very original, lightly used and well cared for late (‘94?) 500c/m “classic” kit. I believe the seller, and I’m not trying to be sexist here, is the wife of the original camera user. So, either one of them could have jammed the lens. I don’t think the camera is a lemon, just in the hands of someone not experienced with hasselblad’s quirks. My main concern, is that there might be internal damage from someone trying to force a jammed lens off the body-
 

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One would have to work darn hard to forcibly remove a jammed lens. Probably using tools. If it works after a proper unjamming then chance of residual internal damage is unlikely. But even a “relatively new” 500 C/M might benefit from a good professional overhaul to ensure proper operation... but you probably know that already. :smile:
 

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I'm sure there will be many people who argue with me on this. There always is when it comes to Hasselblads. But it's the truth about what happened to me, and my opinions formed from it.
I hope not...
 
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Brian..

Already planning a trip to Odess spa for the ol’ once over after I receive it—
 

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David has my camera now. Lens jam was apparently caused by a broken spring. I do have a "new" unused 501cm body waiting on a shelf as my back-up camera when the others go south. Still, after all these years sitting I'm wondering if it should be serviced before I use it.
 
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The seller contacted me today, and fessed up that the lens was not only jammed on the camera, they somehow have it cocked at an angle as well. They told me they could hear snapping noises as they tried to twist it. Yes...I’ll take that refund please.

Such a shame...it was an exceptionally clean late 500c/m...
 

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View attachment 238647 View attachment 238648 The seller contacted me today, and fessed up that the lens was not only jammed on the camera, they somehow have it cocked at an angle as well. They told me they could hear snapping noises as they tried to twist it. ...
Gawd, it would take a lot of force to do that. Why are imbeciles allowed to touch sophisticated instruments?
 

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The seller contacted me today, and fessed up that the lens was not only jammed on the camera, they somehow have it cocked at an angle as well. They told me they could hear snapping noises as they tried to twist it. Yes...I’ll take that refund please.

I almost winced reading that. What a travesty.
 

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Gawd, it would take a lot of force to do that. Why are imbeciles allowed to touch sophisticated instruments?

I'm curious why designs that allow imbeciles to do something like that are praised for their durability and quality... Maybe I'm overly biased from a career heavily focused on User Experience and Fault Tolerance, but given how badly one can jam a Hasselblad up I'm left with the view of a horrible design flaw, and am very much on the fence about if I'll ever buy in on them.
 

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You might be making too much of it. Many thousands, maybe millions or trillions, user experiences have been proper mating and de-mating of Hasselblad lenses... without incident.
 
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You might be making too much of it. Many thousands, maybe millions or trillions, user experiences have been proper mating and de-mating of Hasselblad lenses... without incident.
Amen!!! I find Hasselblads to be quirky, but not inherently flawed in their design. If they were, they wouldn’t have been as popular and widely used as they were...and still are!

Making a camera “imbecile proof” is impossible...
 

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put the camera and lens in the freezer. they say cold cameras and lenses come apart easy ..
or maybe is it lenses stuck to filters, or lenses stuck to shutters. sorry if i might be mixing emergency removal techniques..
good luck with your situation !
 

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I wonder how many and often David Odess gets them in locked up with lenses attached? I bet it's more than we think.
 

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Hasselblad dominated for many decades because of its superior design. The really quirky and delicate Hassy was the 1000F, whose shutter I eventually did manage to screw up. As for my 2000FCM and 500CM, never a problem. 2000FCM bought new as 2000FCM replacement.
However, most Hasselblad on used market are retired professional workers in fashion and advertising and therefore very heavily used. In contrast to Leica and Nikon, Hasselblad was not the choice of well heeled physicians and lawyers, so very few pristine, hardly used Hassy come to used market.
Therefore, when buying Hasselblad cameras and lenses, unless like new, go only for bargains. I always calculate cost of CLA into final purchase price, even for a “ like new” used camera, unless sold with firm guarantee.
As for EBay, I only buy from 100% sellers.
 

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The Hasselblads are slow cameras, meant to be given serious attention when making a photograph, so why is it that people who buy and use these, are in so much of a hurry when first setting up for the shot, to take a peak at which station the camera is in, before placing a magazine on the back and taking a peak at the back of the lenses, before joining with the bodies?

Operating these cameras means being Very Aware of the one main fault of the design, in that only you have to be observant of the marriage settings condition, at all times.

It's as simple as that, and though these fine tools need attention from time to time, paying head to what you are doing with the camera, will go a long way to preventing EVER jamming a lens onto the bodies.

IMO.
 
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It's as simple as that

I have to agree. Simply checking that both body and lens are cocked every time you attach a lens isn't hard to remember, and only takes a few extra seconds. It's such a simple rule to obey I can't fathom how anyone manages to jam a Hassy.
 

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Iffn' ya ain't used one they're easy to screw up.
The cocking shaft key will shear off with enough force. At an angle? I wonder if they didn't line up the lens and put
it on rotated 30 degrees out of alignment.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the american public
 

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I have to disagree with it's not a problem to make sure everything is in proper position. Are people having problems with removing the back without the dark slide in? They designed it so you can't, so I see no reason why the lenses couldn't be if they are the master engineers everyone thinks they are. I have never done it so I don't know how much force is need to do it, but if it's like opening a pickle jar then the problem is with the user.
 

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What we're talking about, IS the user, training or retraining themselves to give proper attention to the operation of those cameras, so the user does no become the key factor in the fault squence.

The design of these systems, does allow the user to commit this error, so, while the 'beginning' of the fault, started with the engineering, only the operator can prevent commiting the fault from becoming an issue.

IMO.
 
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