Is this what old film look like?

rayonline_nz · Nov 23, 2019

I was given a bulk film loader box thing. It felt heavy so I opened it up in a dark bag and inside it was quite a bit of film. I developed using BW chemistry and found it to be Fuji RMS MS 100/1000 slide film. I cranked out a 36 frame roll and set that aside. I then cranked a 2nd roll which I used. Photo is attached.

The bottom strip is closer to the start where I taped it to my used film canister and cranked it 36 times. There is quite a bit of that orange stuff there but as we get further and further into the bulk roll less of the orange stuff but there is still some stuff at the edges with the top strip.

Like to hear your thought ....

Cheers.

Europan · Nov 23, 2019

These are light streaks, my friend.

rayonline_nz · Nov 23, 2019

Ok. I got the film loader from someone. So where is it actually from? Was the roll somehow accidentally exposed to light by the person? Do you think the bulk loader box is OK?

I used the same camera with a commercial individual roll of Velvia 50 and there nothing like that. I have never seen anything like this before with my cameras.

Europan · Nov 23, 2019

I shouldn’t bother much about how the film got struck with light. It’s there. Possible that someone had peeped in for a moment or that the end was exposed on the way from the canister to the loader. If you can’t find any cracks in the loader, it’s in order. Try one cheap black-and-white film, open, in the loader for a longer period of time, develop it and see.

rayonline_nz · Nov 23, 2019

I understand at the end where it was taped to the canister there is more light leak. But also at the other side there are light leak marks on the sprockets.

Ozxplorer · Nov 23, 2019

Ray.... I agree @Europan comment the film has been exposed to light at some stage. You have a few options as to the source of light: your dark bag, your camera, the bulk loader, the film canister or a combination of these? Edge banding and flare across the slide is normally the result of faulty camera film chamber seals. If this effect is not seen when using B&W film (dark streaks and blackened edges) then my guess... the cause lies in the region between the bulk film holder and the film canister at the time of loading. I’d expect the light area at the taped edge to be light affected. Possibly the light trap at the front of the loader is not as effective as anticipated. Lastly, look to you technique loading the canister...

Ozxplorer · Nov 23, 2019

And, yes - the film could have been exposed when loaded into the bulk film holder or at some time in between... Your next roll will be more indicative, I think.

rayonline_nz · Nov 23, 2019

Thanks. I shot an retail individual roll of of Velvia 50 with the same camera body. Processed at the same lab, same batch job and there is nothing on the edge of my film.

I have the same film loader. So I have 2 loaders. My own one which I use for BW film, I have never experienced anything like this.

AgX · Nov 23, 2019

rayonline_nz said:
I developed using BW chemistry and found it to be Fuji RMS MS 100/1000 slide film.

You developed a E-6 film by "using BW chemistry" and got natural colour, positive images ?

AgX · Nov 23, 2019

Concerning the light fogging, it in any case happened when the film was in a spooled state.

koraks · Nov 23, 2019

rayonline_nz said:
The bottom strip is closer to the start where I taped it to my used film canister and cranked it 36 times.

There's your problem.

pentaxuser · Nov 23, 2019

AgX said:
You developed a E-6 film by "using BW chemistry" and got natural colour, positive images ?

Yes there is something strange here and it is surprising that none of the other respondents have mentioned it The film is clearly in colour but this cannot be the case with b&w chemistry can it?

OP are you certain that this is the film that you developed in b&w chemistry. If it is can anyone offer an explanation?

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kevs · Nov 23, 2019

Nice find; I would just use it for personal projects rather than professional work. The top strip could use a half-stop more exposure, depending on its age you'll find the film will need more exposure than expected for its ISO ratings -- some sources reckon one stop per decade but that's a moveable feast. Or you could just buy yourself a Lomography camera and no-one will know the difference.

rayonline_nz · Nov 23, 2019

Sorry for confusion. A few months ago I got this film. On here I was told to develop in bw chemistry with a small strip of film to read the edge to know what film I have been given. I found it to be fuji Ms 100 1000.

After this I cranked out 36 frame one roll. I went out to shoot it and I sent it overseas to the USA paid my 8usd to have it developed in E6 chemistry with my other 12 rolls of slide film.

rayonline_nz · Nov 23, 2019

kevs said:
Nice find; I would just use it for personal projects rather than professional work. The top strip could use a half-stop more exposure, depending on its age you'll find the film will need more exposure than expected for its ISO ratings -- some sources reckon one stop per decade but that's a moveable feast. Or you could just buy yourself a Lomography camera and no-one will know the difference.

I need to double check maybe using the film holder. The bottom brighter strip is on my scanner. The top 2 strip using my camera with film held to the window because the scanner was throwing up. I didn't use the film holder on scanner bc I wanted to show you the edges of the film. It was scanned right on the scanner glass.

rayonline_nz · Nov 23, 2019

koraks said:
There's your problem.

To expand on this. OK. I pulled a bit of film out and I taped it on the canister. I pushed it back in. Shut the plastic cover. I then cranked 36 frames into it.

When I pulled it out shouldn't that be all white overexposed b/c it was exposed to light? So why do I get an image at the end of my roll the area that is taped to the canister? The light trapping with the film loader is not sealed properly?

koraks · Nov 24, 2019

Can be a light leak at the exit slit (the felt lined one) or a bad fit of the cap on the canister. That's the risk of reusing cartridges. Mind you, I do this all the time, but it takes some care all and not all brands work well. I have good experiences with Fuji cartridges.

rayonline_nz · Nov 24, 2019

Yes, if I recall correctly I got the used canister from the lab, it was the customer's Kodak Ektar 100. I think it is something to do with the canister because I get light leaks on the edges of the film for the entire roll but later in the roll at least it wasn't showing up on the actual images. I know a old timer at my camera club he shoots Ilford Delta 100 with his Leica M3 and he does not use bulk film but prefers to buy individual rolls or pro packs.

pentaxuser · Nov 24, 2019

rayonline_nz said:
To expand on this. OK. I pulled a bit of film out and I taped it on the canister. I pushed it back in. Shut the plastic cover. I then cranked 36 frames into it.

When I pulled it out shouldn't that be all white overexposed b/c it was exposed to light? So why do I get an image at the end of my roll the area that is taped to the canister? The light trapping with the film loader is not sealed properly?

This may or may not be relevant to your problem of light leaks but in all the bulk loaders I have the instructions that come with them tell me to do more or less what you do BUT then wind 5 frames on to the canister and then and only then start counting from 1to whatever number of frames you have decided upon

I hope this helps

pentaxuser

AgX · Nov 24, 2019

5 frames?? Not good for us stingy people.

rayonline_nz · Nov 24, 2019

Thanks for that. No, I never had a user manual, I got 2 bulk loaders the same ones, given to me. The earlier one I had for maybe 2yrs? I use that with my BW bulk film and not had an issue like this extent.

I don't think the canister I used was Kodak Ektar, possibly Agfa Vista or something or maybe a less known one. Reason is that I cranked two rolls out. The first roll (Ektar) I put aside in case something happened to the film. I used the 2nd roll I cranked out.

kevs · Nov 25, 2019

rayonline_nz said:
I need to double check maybe using the film holder. The bottom brighter strip is on my scanner. The top 2 strip using my camera with film held to the window because the scanner was throwing up. I didn't use the film holder on scanner bc I wanted to show you the edges of the film. It was scanned right on the scanner glass.

Okay, that would explain the darker frames. It looks like you've got some nice film there, the fog should be negligible on later rolls. It's designed for pushing up to ISO/ASA 1000; here's a link to the spec sheet (192kb, pdf format): www.fujifilmusa.com/shared/bin/AF3-989E.pdf Have fun

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