Is there STILL no hope for 220

mehguy · May 10, 2016

Is there any point for 220 nowadays? Most cameras can accept both 120 and 220 anyways.

sfaber17 · May 10, 2016

If I was on some boat tour or the like, I'd rather have 16 shots than 8 shots on my 6x9. Has anyone made a 220 from 2 rolls of 120?

Luis-F-S · May 10, 2016

No hope, give it up!

DWThomas · May 10, 2016

mehguy said:
Is there any point for 220 nowadays? Most cameras can accept both 120 and 220 anyways.

By the time I got into medium format, there were no emulsions I wanted available in 220, so it's academic, but on some outings I would love to get 24 shots of 6x6 without having to reload -- if I could get FP4 or 400TX or Acros or HP5! But not all of the time, as I find 35mm, which is increasingly only available as 36 exposure, to be a bit long for my normal use. And as sfaber17 mentions, in a 6x9 like my Ercona II, at 8 shots per roll it feels as though every time I turn around it's time to reload.

But I'm quite willing to assume we'll never see the stuff. I did pick up one 220 insert for my Bronica a few years back, just in case a miracle occurs.

Ai Print · May 10, 2016

mehguy said:
Is there any point for 220 nowadays? Most cameras can accept both 120 and 220 anyways.

I shoot black and white fine art aerial photos with a Hasselblad 500ELX and often work in fast changing light, I would love to have TMY2 or Delta 400 in 220 for that.

Sirius Glass · May 10, 2016

David Lyga said:
Sirius, if you are serious, I would be interested in the New York bridge. (Think of all the revenue I could generate.) - David Lyga

Those bridges are financing my pension, that is why I can afford to buy so many Hasselblad lenses.

PittP · May 11, 2016

sfaber17 said:
If I was on some boat tour or the like, I'd rather have 16 shots than 8 shots on my 6x9. Has anyone made a 220 from 2 rolls of 120?

Yes, I do that occasionally. Its not economic in that I do obviously loose the middle frame, hence let's call it 219-film (=19 snaps in 6x7).
Front leader paper remains the same (just cut a bit behind the tape where 1st film is attached), no backing paper behind film, tail end some 14-16" (35-40cm) of backing paper, preferably with the tape to close the exposed film. In my case, 1 shorten the 1st film a bit, so the joint goes quite into the middle of a frame. I use ordinary, thin cello tape.
Good luck!

sfaber17 · May 11, 2016

Sweet. The 6x9 has a fair amount of space between frames, so maybe one could splice it just right without losing a frame. Hmm, 216 Ektar!

flavio81 · Apr 12, 2022

Gerald C Koch said:
You do not understand what Cinestill is doing. They buy regular unmodified Eastman film and then CINESTILL removes the remjet coating. So no custom orders or anything else. Indeed companies like Kodak and others hate companies like Cinestill that remarket their films for non-approved use. Hate them. Why because when something goes wrong the original manufacturer gets the blame.

I don't know why no one understands, IT IS THE BOTTOM LINE. Manufacturers aren't ignorant. They have done the necessary profit calculations and decided they will not make any money selling 220 film.

Hello... 2022 called... Cinestill showed up...

Cinestill adds campaign for 400D in 220

After great success with the previous 3 goals to release 400D in 35mm, 120 and 4x5 formats, Cinestill has added a stretch goal to make 400D in 220 form. At the time of writing this goal is at 81% with 7 days left to go. In order to support this goal one needs to buy one of the following...

www.photrio.com

Never say never.

faberryman · Apr 12, 2022

So what film is 400D? I may have missed it, but Kodak Vision3 doesn't look like it is available in ISO 400. Is this the Vision3 250D that Cinestill is rating at ISO 400?

Marcelo Paniagua · Apr 12, 2022

So slowly coming back That make two of them, CineStill and Shanghai GP3. So I guess I will get those Bronica and Mamiya 220 film backs undusted.

Moose22 · Apr 12, 2022

faberryman said:
So what film is 400D? I may have missed it, but Kodak Vision3 doesn't look like it is available in ISO 400. Is this the Vision3 250D that Cinestill is rating at ISO 400?

YEah, there's a long discussion on that.

Vision3 is 250 in movie format (remjet coating, ecn-2 processing). The extra speed is from C41, not having remjet, etc. Just search for the cinestill 400d thread and you'll see dozens of pages of discussion on it.

grat · Apr 12, 2022

They're also going to ship 400D in 4x5 sheets.

faberryman · Apr 12, 2022

Moose22 said:
Vision3 is 250 in movie format (remjet coating, ecn-2 processing). The extra speed is from C41, not having remjet, etc. Just search for the cinestill 400d thread and you'll see dozens of pages of discussion on it.

Well, to be honest, rather than reading dozens of pages, I'll just take your word for it.

Moose22 · Apr 12, 2022

faberryman said:
Well, to be honest, rather than reading dozens of pages, I'll just take your word for it.

Yeah, after somewhere between 3 and 5 pages most threads get... let's say "off topic" and leave it there.

Some folks seem to have used 250d as is and liked it, so I'm sanguine. I'll be exited to see if this works. I have a couple of 220 inserts for one camera and my C330s can do 220, it would be nice to have the option for 24 frames with a color film.

M Carter · Apr 12, 2022

Well, on the RB, 220 backs work fine with 120 film. Winding feels a bit tighter. According to Bill Rogers, you can swap in a 120 pressure plate if you want to fix the "feel". So they've been a nice way for me to get more backs. (If you're about to say "but focus will be off", think it through first please).

220 was handy for shooting things like apparel-on-figure with 6x7 cameras. Clients used to 35mm were also used to 36 frames of the same outfit, but they were cool with 20 on the bigger frames. It did keep the flow of the shoot going. I don't miss it though.

flavio81 · Apr 12, 2022

faberryman said:
So what film is 400D? I may have missed it, but Kodak Vision3 doesn't look like it is available in ISO 400. Is this the Vision3 250D that Cinestill is rating at ISO 400?

Most likely.

Vision 500T is marketed as 800T.

Nzoomed · Apr 12, 2022

Ferrania will be able to make 220 when they are ready...

unityofsaints · Apr 13, 2022

Nzoomed said:
Ferrania will be able to make 220 when they are ready...

So sometime in 2030?

Matt Sullivan · Apr 13, 2022

flavio81 said:
Hello... 2022 called... Cinestill showed up...

Cinestill adds campaign for 400D in 220

After great success with the previous 3 goals to release 400D in 35mm, 120 and 4x5 formats, Cinestill has added a stretch goal to make 400D in 220 form. At the time of writing this goal is at 81% with 7 days left to go. In order to support this goal one needs to buy one of the following...

www.photrio.com

Never say never.

That's super interesting! I wonder what pricing would be from Cinestill- probably just double what they sell a regular 120 roll for LOL!

Ernst-Jan · Apr 13, 2022

unityofsaints said:
So sometime in 2030?

If ever...

flavio81 · Apr 13, 2022

Matt Sullivan said:
That's super interesting! I wonder what pricing would be from Cinestill- probably just double what they sell a regular 120 roll for LOL!

Yes, they are charging a bit more than 2x 120 rolls, sadly.

I guess that's the price to pay for the convenience of not interrumpting your shootnig on an important event or so. On 6x4.5 this means 30 shots per roll (sometimes 32, depending on the camera), so a lot of pictures.

Is there STILL no hope for 220

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