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I'm researching getting further into medium format. But I keep finding myself getting confused. There is a never ending amount of cameras and it feels like each and everyone has a different mount and set of lenses available.

Is there any website that shows you which systems of interchangable medium format cameras are out there? Just to see which mount belongs where...
 

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MF systems are pretty much brand dependent with few minor exceptions. There are a few books of MF shooting that cover MF systems, Like

Medium Format Photography E. Wildi

Pentax (67 and 645) Bronica (older S line and EC/EC-TL =66, ETR=645,SQ=66,GS-1=67) Hasselblad (66) Mamiya (645,RZ/RB 67,TLRs/C line for 66), Fujifilm (old 69 rangefinder with IC lenses, GX680), Rolleiflex SL66, Kowa 6/66.

Above sums up most mostly talked about MF systems. Each has its merits, varies in size and weight, different reach in overall system flexibility and/or complexity, all capable of same great results.
 

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As Witold noted, there are SLR, TLR, RF, single or interchangeable lens, folders, non folders , 66, 645,67,69,...a lot of choices, and choices within choices. Wild I would be a good start. A lot depends on what you generally photograph, how much weight or bulk do you want to lug around, and of course, how the camera feels to you when holding in your hands. Everyone will tell you that the camera they like is the best.
An aside: since the mid 1970s I lusted for a minty Zeiss 69 Super Ikonta C because I wanted a more portable 69 camera. Finally got one. Despite its greater weight and chunky shape, I decidedly preferred my Medalist and got rid of SI C. Although mechanically related, it just wasn’t as comfortable as ny Super Ikonta B 66.
You will have a lot of fun exploring the many choices. My one piece of advice is that when buying, buy quality. Cheaper in the long run.
 

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For those reading German the book "Möglichkeiten und Chancen mit dem Mittelformat" is a good introdiction over what is out there.
But I do not know of a source with all cameras there are.
 
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What do you intend to shoot? Travel? Landscapes? Portraiture? Street? Still lifes? Studio? Walking around? That might help narrow down the type of MF such as waist finder vs. reflex vs. eye level finder vs rangefinder, etc.
 

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That Gonzales site is new to me. At first sight I see both Kievs missing.
 

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I'm researching getting further into medium format.

My view is that MF is complex in the glass, there are many nuances. If your photography is "all in focus" then things are easier, if Out Of Focus nature is critical for you then there is a lot to learn.

Regarding camera systems, you have streamlined systems that reseemble a 35mm SLR vs camera systems that have film backs. Some have "unit focus" like Mamiya RB67/RZ67.

I'd suggest you start investigating next systems:

> Pentax 6x7 , 67, 67II

> Mamiya RB67, RZ67

> Hasselblad 503.

> Fuji GX680, Hasselblad Flexbody

> Pentax, Mamiya, Contax 645

> Fuji Gw 670 III , Mamiya 7II

> Rollei SL66 !!! which has a tilt in the body, allowing amazing effects.

> Graflex Century Graphic, with a lot of movements for a field camera.


By exploring those systems you would be aware about most kinds of "usual" choices you have, then you should explore nature of different lenses, regarding the OOF rendition.
 
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I think when it comes to MF, you need to look at the end use...are you hiking the mountains for instance?
None of the systems are interchangeable, AFAIK, so don't even think about that. Also...think of the format...
6x6, 6x7, 6x9?? My fav. is 6x9 as it is basically 35mm's equiv.

There are huge differences in sizes of systems...
Ex: Mamiya RZ vs Hasselblad. I had both.
The RZ Pro II is an amazing system with many lenses and other accessories, but it's big.
Hasselblad is incredible, and much more compact, but the focus is a little different, a little
slower perhaps. I recommend a prism finder for whichever system you choose.
The Pentax 67 is also a great camera...basically a huge 35mm-style body.

FInally, the "Texas Leica"...the Fuji 6x9. It's a rangefinder and I used it heavily. If I had to choose
one...it would be that. with a 90mm. It's a fixed lens and wears around the neck or over the shoulder
very comfortably. It's not heavy either. Most on Ebay come out of Japan and are in ex. condition...
probably the most economical.

J
 
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Everyone will tell you that the camera they like is the best.

At times I vocally proclaim the cameras I like the best as being terrible and things to avoid... But I still need a few more lenses and would rather their value not go up...

But in all seriousness, all cameras are a balance of pros and cons. So it is important to consider what you actually want and need out of a camera, and hopefully get your hands on some before settling on buying in on something.

However prices are relatively stable, so as long as you don't get ripped off an something wildly overpriced or dishonestly sold, it should be fairly easy to resell for near what you paid.
 

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That lists only shows the models in production at that time.
 

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My view is that MF is complex in the glass, there are many nuances. If your photography is "all in focus" then things are easier, if Out Of Focus nature is critical for you then there is a lot to learn.

Regarding camera systems, you have streamlined systems that reseemble a 35mm SLR vs camera systems that have film backs. Some have "unit focus" like Mamiya RB67/RZ67.

I'd suggest you start investigating next systems:

> Pentax 6x7 , 67, 67II

> Mamiya RB67, RZ67

> Pentax, Mamiya, Contax 645

> Fuji Gw 670 III , Mamiya 7II

> Rollei SL66 !!! which has a tilt in the body, allowing amazing effects.


By exploring those systems you would be aware about most kinds of "usual" choices you have, then you should explore nature of different lenses, regarding the OOF rendition.

You forgot the most important one ====> Hasselblad.
 

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To sum up this discussion, if you want to read it, write it.
 

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I nominate Michael Freeman's The Medium Format Manual as a nice comprehensive survey of the medium format cameras as available at the end of 1988. It discusses no only the different brands and models of systems, but it also discusses medium format usage for a variety of genres of photography.
Can be had at an extremely affordable price!

https://www.amazon.com/Medium-Forma...he+medium+Format+Manual&qid=1581112471&sr=8-1
 

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As others have noted, it really depends on the kind of shooting you enjoy. I've had a Rollei twin lens for years, and I enjoy the relatively light weight and deliberate shooting style. I also have a Zeiss medium format 6x6 folding camera, which really is lightweight and gives almost the same operational speed as a 35mm rangefinder. It's a delight for travel if I want to bring back high quality negatives with a camera that fits into a coat pocket. There are many other choices available in the folding camera range.

I finally got a Hasselblad 500C just over a year ago, and immediately fell in love. I now have lenses from 40mm (about equal to a 28mm on a 35mm SLR) to 250mm. I have an on camera reflective meter, and a metered prism for eye level use. It's the most versatile of all the 6x6 cm systems, and one of the lightest. Bronica S is a lower priced alternative, as is the rather noisy and less well made Kowa 6 series. Mamiya RB and RZ 6x7 format cameras are a bargain, and have excellent optics in a wide range of focal lengths, but they are a lot heavier and bulkier than the Hassies. Rollei SL66 series is also fantastic, but difficult to repair and it's getting harder to find lenses and accessorites. It's a beautiful camera, though. I don't care for the relatively lower build quality of the Russian Kiev models, but they are certainly affordable.

There are many others, the Mamiya 7 and Fuji groups of 120 rangefinders, many slightly lower quality TLRs (Yashica, Minolta, Meopta, to name a few...), and the fabulous interchangeable lens Mamiya TLRs. The Pentax 6x7 SLRs are also excellent, but they are really big and heavy - I sold mine.

The X factors in this format are generally price and availability. Hasselblads, Mamiya 7s, and several others have taken off in the past couple of years, and you have to shop carefully and take time. Others are starting to head in the same direction. Once you make a decision, you need to commit to that, both in terms of time and money. It's always a compromise - speed vs. negative size, lens selection vs. price, etc. I'd almost advise an early experiment with a TLR, Cheap S:R (Kowa), and some kind of rangefinder (although you'll probably only be able to afford a folder as an experiment. Once you get a preference for shooting style and type, then you can go all in on a system or high end model.

Good luck! I shoot everything from digital to 4x5, and the three I mentioned above give me by far the most pleasure.

Andy
 

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Since I got my Hasselblad, my 35mm Nikon slr have rarely ventured out of the house.
 

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