timbo10ca
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I'm in a similar boat to you, so let me say that in my inexperienced hands, one cannot translate roll-film EI or dev times to sheet film- the processes and films are too different, I think. Also, I do not believe that one can use the same EI across different developers.
A question for Jason: I'd like to try your method of pulling the darkslide incrementally- How do you calculate the exposures so each one is 1/3 stop different than the previous. It sounds like doing a test-strip using f-stop printing, so I'm pretty sure there's a simple way to do this. Also, since the exposure is building up, rather than having one single exposure, would there be the same "accuracy" problem that people say exists in printing (i.e. 10 one second exposures is not equal to 1 ten second exposure)? Lastly, would there not be a light-leakage/scatter problem along the film where the darkslide edge is pulled? My main problem with film testing has been what looks like uneven lighting, and it seems this method would cause a similar effect.
Tim
You can make incremental exposures on one sheet of film by pulling the dark slide out in increments.
Fomapan 100 5x4 and 10x8 are on different bases (thickness), presumably the emulsion is the same but I don't know if affects anything else?
I just move the aperture 1/3 stop. The EI difference would be calculated from the EI you choose as a baseline, for example 1/3 stop from 200 ISO would be about 160. The accuracy problem is negligible because a shutter opens or closes much faster than an enlarger lamp ramping up and down. There will be a small amount of scatter along the line where the darkslide is positioned, but you will have a good usable strip on the neg. The amount of light getting up under the slide wouldn't be enough to matter, as it likely isn't enough to even engage reciprocity if you don't lollygag around, so for all intent and purposes the area under the slide stays dark. It could be argued that there is some effect, depending on situation, but the variance wouldn't amount to anything that would bother most persons. It all depends on how anal you want to be about exactitudes. I can usually determine a speed/developing combination within three sheets, though certainly not with the accuracy of a full BZTS regimen. I generally extrapolate my full expansion and contraction from my baseline -1 0 +1 testing information, and adjust from field results after that. Some photographer like to test things to the last detail, some just wing it. Most are comfortable, like me, in the middle ground. It's simply individual choice, and in the end, the print is what counts. For some reason, many (not all) of the most technically exacting photographers I am familiar with make limp prints. A good photographer is one who can stand astride both the art and the craft, without half baking, or over baking either.
I would add this to Sandy's comments on the BTZS testing: once you undertand the basic principles of BTZS and how to meter, you can "borrow" someone else's data (exposure and development times) and use it very effectively without ever doing your own testing.
The other approach I have taken with roll film is to expose at the manufacturer's rating (more or less) and develop for the recommended time. This works too!
-Paul
I'm almost embarrassed to post this as it will probably make me seem quite thick, but I must be making this more complicated than it is (which is usually my problem). I want to set the stage here:
Tim
you people are making it unnecessarily complicated, the manufacturer has done lots of testing, the rated ISO/dev procedure will be pretty close for their conditions, you just need to tweak for your conditions
who really thinks worrying about a third of a stop makes any discernible improvemnet in image quality when using negative materials?
if you do, post a few images and prove it
Ray
It's a personal choice, but yes, a third of a stop makes a noticable difference in how a negative will print if I am expanding or contracting the development. Unfortunatly, off hand, I don't have anything to post.
same old excuse Jason
come on people this an imaging thing that we do, why are so many reluctant to USE images
Ray
you people are making it unnecessarily complicated, the manufacturer has done lots of testing, the rated ISO/dev procedure will be pretty close for their conditions, you just need to tweak for your conditions
who really thinks worrying about a third of a stop makes any discernible improvemnet in image quality when using negative materials?
if you do, post a few images and prove it
Ray
...What I lack (which you don't) is how to quantify for expanded and contracted development (I'll figure this out soon enough, I'm sure). ...
sorry C
the proof is not in curves, or steps tablet souffle things, the proof is in the image and the message conveyed
Ray
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