When you test, what lens are you going to use with your enlarger when you make your own prints? And why that lens?
Film is only one link in the chain of either
SUBJECT-meter-lens-film-chemistry-enlarger-paper-chemistry-FINAL IMAGE or
SUBJECT-meter-lens-film-chemistry-scanner-scanning operator-computer screen-printer-paper-FINAL IMAGE
I don't really care what a film on its own can do, I care what a film can do in that chain above. I literally pay someone to scan each frame according to my preferences. It is the imaging process I care about, not a film testing process with sharpness targets and colour charts. And yes in the scans I get I can easily spot the differences of certain films. Portra 800 vs the other Portras. Cinestill that stands out from everything else. Gold vs Portra. Slide film vs C41. It is not as fine grained as E100 vs Provia (for example) but film choice does affect the final output. Can you make one look like the other? Maybe. Can I do the halos of Cinestill go away? No. Can I add them? Maybe. Can I bring up the burned highlights of Portra 800 in direct sunlight? Maybe. Do I want to? No, I just pick P160 instead. Etc etc.
its a long time since i read it so i stand to be corrected but ctein did the enlarger lens test grind and from memory the take home message was that good quality 6 element enlarger lenses are pretty much indistinguishable from each other.When you test, what lens are you going to use with your enlarger when you make your own prints? And why that lens?
its a long time since i read it so i stand to be corrected but ctein did the enlarger lens test grind and from memory the take home message was that good quality 6 element enlarger lenses are pretty much indistinguishable from each other.
I agree, had the 35mm and 28 in Canon LTM mount, also had the Leica 28mm in screw mount, in terms of sharpness the Leica may have been sharper, not that I could or my editor could tell,
You have tons of gear, you should know some lenses have character, and some are just plain sterile.
I didn't see anything at all "sterile" about the images from the Voigtlander posted above. In fact, now I may be infected--I've had a bug for a 28mm lens, and I feel a bit of pining for that version.
Speaking of really tiny 28mm lenses, is this one any good at all? Cos gosh, it is *tiny*! (And stupid cheap.)
https://radojuva.com/en/2014/09/industar-69-28-mm-f-2-8/comment-page-1/
And, hey--it comes with sample images! And they certainly don't look--god save us!--sterile, by any means.
TBH I don't see any "character" here. I suspect most people attribute "character" to bokeh and vignetting. Every image in this thread looks like any other image from a 28mm lens to me. Maybe because wide lenses in general don't blur background much. The only difference between them is the speed/compactness ratio, and this is why rangefinders rule.
I was interested in that lens until I saw that it does not cover a 35mm film image. It is designed for 1/2 frame cameras.
With short focal length lenses, people sometimes describe distortion as "character".TBH I don't see any "character" here. I suspect most people attribute "character" to bokeh and vignetting. Every image in this thread looks like any other image from a 28mm lens to me. Maybe because wide lenses in general don't blur background much. The only difference between them is the speed/compactness ratio, and this is why rangefinders rule.
Like your shot. And to be completely honest I use my Minolta Rokkor-X 28mm/2.8 far more frequently than any of my other 28s, rangefinder or not. Probably because that was the 28mm lens I learned with and I am very, very comfortable with it. However, that Minolta lens is not anywhere near as small as most of the rangefinder lenses discussed here so there is a trade off.With short focal length lenses, people sometimes describe distortion as "character".
Not a rangefinder lens, but the Zuiko 24mm f/2.8 for the OM film bodies is still quite small:
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I had the color Skopar 28, metal lens and rangefinder and agree it is very good.I love my CV 28mm f3.5 so much I use it far, far more than my 28mm Summicron. At similar apertures the Skopar holds its own unless extreme corner peaking, only falling behind at f/16. And it's beautifully made in brass, not alloy. As for the question of being sterile, well what the heck do you want a lens to do other than not get in the way, if that makes it sterile so be it, sterile is great.
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