Is the Rollei ATP1.1 Advanced Technical Pan best of this type?

[Jedidiah Smith]

I'm getting the itch to try one of these "super films" that are supposed to have all this crazy resolution.
Is the Rollei ATP1.1 Advanced Technical Pan a good one to try for my first shot at this style of film? Seems I could get it fairly easily from B&H.
I read a post about Gigabit film and Copex once, but can't seem to find it in the U.S.

Just looking to have some fun and see if it's really sharper/finer grain than T-Max 100. (i.e. does it really compare with the old Tech Pan?)

Thanks for any info,
Jed

 

[AgX]

Copex is the brand name of a series of current microfilms manufactured by Agfa.

Some of those films had been offerd for pictorial use as well by Spur as well by Gigabitfilm, both two German research labs.

Gigabitfilm is only devoted to high-resolution photography.

Spur turned to this field later next to to their work on other developers.

The ATP is is a bit different kind of film seemingly originating at Gigabitfilm who offer their own Gigagabitfilm GTP and the proprietary HDR chemistry. Gigabitfilm is rather a research lab than devoted to market their products. (The guy behind them is a member here too, so feel free to contact him and blame him for the non-availability of their products.)

Maco offers the ATP under the Rollei brand as well as different developers. One of them is made by SPUR.

As all these high-resolution films differ in some ways, it would be hard to say `best´, with the late Kodak TP being most close to conventional films.
Keep in mind that these films need an apt chemistry to yield the promised results.

 

[Jedidiah Smith]

Thanks for the background info. I did see that you can buy the Rollei ATP with a developer kit at B&H, so I will do that for my first round, at least.

Do you or anyone else know where to get these Copex or Gigabitfilm / SPUR in the United States? Or are they sufficiently like the Rollei ATP that I don't need to test them all?

Thanks again for your time,
Jed

 

[Alan Johnson]

I believe after J&C closed there is no supplier of Copex Rapid in the US,not quite sure.
A somewhat different type of Copex I believe is Bluefire Police film from Canada, www.frugalphotographer.com
Adox CMS 20 is at Freestyle, in its Adotech developer it is the finest grained film of this type.
ATP is the only one with extended red sensitivity.

 

[kodachrome64]

Has anyone actually tried ATP? I'm curious too.

 

[dr5chrome]

..id say... yes.

http://www.blackandwhiteslide.com/atp.html

dw

Has anyone actually tried ATP? I'm curious too.

 

[BlueLemon]

I am curious to know where in europe you could buy the promised ATP in 120 format (was mentioned on Fotokino 2008 Germany)

Anybody knows ?

 

[AgX]

One of Maco's many promises for Photokina next week.
Let's see what will come true...

 

[Iwagoshi]

Has anyone actually tried ATP? I'm curious too.

I'd also say yes; see the (there was a url link here which no longer exists)

Terry
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

 

[elekm]

It's a film that should be processed with the special developer. It's a very easy film to handle and to develop. There is no prewash and the final wash is very short.

Contrast is higher than normal, which isn't unexpected, although it's easy to control.

I would say that it gives similar results to TechPan, although not identical. Nor would you expect it to be, because it's not TechPan.

Grain is negligible.

 

[Jedidiah Smith]

Thanks for all the replies, (and especially to AgX for the helpful PM). It sounds like I will definitly have to try some of this Rollei ATP film.

As an aside, I see on Freestyle that I can get Adox CMS 20 High Resolution film for $5.99 / roll. Seems like a good price - is this re-branded Gigabit film? Someone also directed me to Frugal Photographer, and he is selling the Bluefire Police (ISO 80) "tech pan replacement" for $6.99 / roll.

I would like to purchase all three and do a run-off for best tonal range, best sharpness, and finest grain (each in their sample kit developer). I have a Minolta 5400 scanner, (the original one, is good w/ B&W) and if anyone is interested, I will publish some of my findings here in about a month or so after I get all three films shipped to me and a few rolls shot.
Thanks for the help on this, I am curious more than anything.
Jed

 

[AgX]

ADOX CMS 20 is the same as SPUR Orthopan UR. It is by many believed to be out the Agfa Copex range.

(Again, in combination with a special developer such film can be considered a new film.)


Bluefire Police originates from the other Adox brand (there are two companies holding this brand name. one in Canada, one in Germany)
It is also believed to be out of the Agfa Copex range.

Anyway, all these film, whether originally being a microfilm or even specially designed for this purpose, will have a monodisperse emulsion. The less deviation from a standard grainsize the less exposure range, if at all. In the most extreme case to yield a continuous tone image a development is neccessary which detects the very exposure of the grain.


Jed,

A controlled test of several films with their apropiate developers would be great!

 

[Henning Serger]

I'm getting the itch to try one of these "super films" that are supposed to have all this crazy resolution.
Is the Rollei ATP1.1 Advanced Technical Pan a good one to try for my first shot at this style of film? Seems I could get it fairly easily from B&H.
I read a post about Gigabit film and Copex once, but can't seem to find it in the U.S.

Just looking to have some fun and see if it's really sharper/finer grain than T-Max 100. (i.e. does it really compare with the old Tech Pan?)

Thanks for any info,
Jed

Hello Jed,

I've used the Rollei ATP with the special Rollei ATP DC developer (made by SPUR for Rollei-Film). I've used Kodak Tech Pan in the past with Tetenal Neofin Doku.

My results with the ATP:

1. Outstanding resolution, sharpness and fine grain. Even significantly better than TMX. I've made resolution tests with my best primes and got 160 Lp/mm system resolution (fim+lens). I stopped the tests at this point, higher resolution figures are likely possible.
With TMX I got 120-130 Lp/mm (for comparison: under same test conditions you get only 80 Lp/mm with the Canon Eos 1 Ds Mk III, because that is the physical resolution limit of a 22 MP sensor in 24x36mm format).
ATP has finer grain than TMX and Acros.

2. You can achieve a picture quality (from a technical point of view, regarding fine detail) with 35mm film, which is comparable to 6x6 rollfilm.

3. Nice tonality. I like it more than the tonality of Tech Pan. But that is simply a matter of taste. The films look different.

4. ATP needs very precise exposure. Concerning exposure accuracy it handles more like a slide film, than a negative film.

5. I've got good results with ISO 40/17° in combination with the ATP DC developer.

I am very satisfied with the combination ATP with ATP DC developer.

Best regards,
Henning

 

[titrisol]

I did try it thanks to Robert from fotohuis
I was very impressed with the quality and tonality, I made a 60x80 cm enlargement from this picture and still could barely see anygrain in the focus magnifier


EI32 was fine with the special developer.

Hello Jed,

I've used the Rollei ATP with the special Rollei ATP DC developer (made by SPUR for Rollei-Film). I've used Kodak Tech Pan in the past with Tetenal Neofin Doku.

My results with the ATP:

1. Outstanding resolution, sharpness and fine grain. Even significantly better than TMX. I've made resolution tests with my best primes and got 160 Lp/mm system resolution (fim+lens). I stopped the tests at this point, higher resolution figures are likely possible.
With TMX I got 120-130 Lp/mm (for comparison: under same test conditions you get only 80 Lp/mm with the Canon Eos 1 Ds Mk III, because that is the physical resolution limit of a 22 MP sensor in 24x36mm format).
ATP has finer grain than TMX and Acros.

2. You can achieve a picture quality (from a technical point of view, regarding fine detail) with 35mm film, which is comparable to 6x6 rollfilm.

3. Nice tonality. I like it more than the tonality of Tech Pan. But that is simply a matter of taste. The films look different.

4. ATP needs very precise exposure. Concerning exposure accuracy it handles more like a slide film, than a negative film.

5. I've got good results with ISO 40/17° in combination with the ATP DC developer.

I am very satisfied with the combination ATP with ATP DC developer.

Best regards,
Henning

 

[Alan Johnson]

Bluefire Police film may give better shadow detail at around EI 25 rather than EI 80 under sun/shade conditions.A film reseller told me it is slower than Copex Rapid which gave me good results at EI 25 sun/shade.

 

[AgX]

The choice of developers intended for this film has been increased by a Spanish product:

Argenti-Hi-tech (100 ISO)
(http://www.foto-r3.com/en/argenti-hi-tech-250ml.html)
(however the origin of this developer is not known to me; might it be Jose Gago?)


and still there are:

HDR (40 ISO) by Gigabitfilm (only available with Gigabitfilm’s GTP film)

Rollei DC (max 40 ISO) by Spur (only available via Maco)