Is PanF 50 by Ilford a tolerant film negative?

marciofs · Jul 11, 2015

I bought a Agfa Synchro Box today, while visiting a Flohmarket. Only 10.

I loaded with Fuji Realia 100 which was about 2 years overdeted.

Then I went to the big part that is happening in town.

I just came from the camera store where they could not print 6x9 negative frames, so I am about to scan them now to see the results. It seems Realia is has a good tolerance by looking the negatives, because I the shots were overexposed by about 2 stops in most shots.

But I bought also today a Ilford PanF 50. And if I am not wrong it is not very tolerant film whan the exposure are off a couple of stops, right? And this is also not a good film for long exposure is it?

The question are because the camera has only the option of f8 and f11 and the shutter spead only 1/30 or long exposure.

Probably FP4 at ISO 50 would be more recomended. But PanF 50 is cheaper.

I am actually opening

pentaxuser · Jul 11, 2015

It appears to have poor latent image retention but you may know that. I am curious as to what the difference in price is between PanF and FP4+ in Freiburg. I just checked two U.K. retailers and both show Pan F in 135 36 frame cassettes as more expensive by 10-20 pence.

Is the difference in price a little or a lot?

Thanks

pentaxuser

Gerald C Koch · Jul 11, 2015

Slow films tend to have less latitude than medium or fast films. Ilford Pan F also builds contrast rather quickly. I develop it in D-23 1+1 for this reason. For simple cameras you would be better off with an ISO 100 or 200 film. Some people use a yellow filter to lower film speed. Unfortunately Kodak no longer makes Verichrome (either ortho or pan versions) which were intended for box cameras. IIRC these films were double coated with both a slow and medium speed emulsion to provide greater latitude.

Xmas · Jul 11, 2015

No it needs reasonably accurate exposure and some cloud cover.
You need to pony up for FP4 or one of the other 100 ISO films.
Or shot on a day and time when the lighting is just correct for your camera.

I prefer it to Tmax 100 or Delta 100 and always carry a cassette of it and a Weston meter...

marciofs · Jul 11, 2015

pentaxuser said:
It appears to have poor latent image retention but you may know that. I am curious as to what the difference in price is between PanF and FP4+ in Freiburg. I just checked two U.K. retailers and both show Pan F in 135 36 frame cassettes as more expensive by 10-20 pence.

Is the difference in price a little or a lot?

Thanks

pentaxuser

I am actually in Hamburg. I have to update my profile info.

Film negatives in Hamburg are about €2 cheaper than in Freiburg.

In the shop The PanF 50 is about €1.50 cheaper than HP5. The HP5 price is 5.60 (middle format). Actually almost all Ilford black and white negatives are this same price. Only PanF has this different price as far as I could see.

Edited: i was wrong. i just found the recit and the Pan F cost 4.95

marciofs · Jul 11, 2015

Gerald C Koch said:
Slow films tend to have less latitude than medium or fast films. Ilford Pan F also builds contrast rather quickly. I develop it in D-23 1+1 for this reason. For simple cameras you would be better off with an ISO 100 or 200 film. Some people use a yellow filter to lower film speed. Unfortunately Kodak no longer makes Verichrome (either ortho or pan versions) which were intended for box cameras. IIRC these films were double coated with both a slow and medium speed emulsion to provide greater latitude.

Now that I bought the PanF 50 I will use it just to see what I get, and experiment with semi stand development for the contrast issue.

marciofs · Jul 11, 2015

Considering they are 1/30 shutter speed handheld I consider the results satisfactory:

100% zoom from the image above:

My scanner focus system is not that great. This camera is not bad at all. Nor the film.

The only thing I don't like is that the DOF limit is from 3m to infinit. 3m is a bit too long some time. I guess in the last foto, shot in a distance shorter from 3m, the man is out of focus.

I will test the PanF anyway. Thanks.

marciofs · Jul 11, 2015

Xmas said:
No it needs reasonably accurate exposure and some cloud cover.
You need to pony up for FP4 or one of the other 100 ISO films.
Or shot on a day and time when the lighting is just correct for your camera.

I prefer it to Tmax 100 or Delta 100 and always carry a cassette of it and a Weston meter...

I don't like much Kodak Black and White films. At least not in small formats. Maybe I should experiment with larger formats.

Delta 100 I like a lot.
But FP4 are usually cheaper.

dynachrome · Jul 11, 2015

You don't have to rate FP4 at 50 for good results.

marciofs · Jul 11, 2015

dynachrome said:
You don't have to rate FP4 at 50 for good results.

Do you mean it has a long latitude?

pentaxuser · Jul 11, 2015

Thanks for the reply, Marcio. That is still quite a large difference in terms of GBP which is surprising I cannot find any retailer in the U.K. where there is a price difference of this size in favour of Pan F but of course as we all know there is no logic to film pricing

pentaxuser

cliveh · Jul 11, 2015

It seems your original question was about latitude, but now it is about price. Pan F is a very good film, that like most films requires correct exposure.

marciofs · Jul 11, 2015

cliveh said:
It seems your original question was about latitude, but now it is about price. Pan F is a very good film, that like most films requires correct exposure.

The answers were quick given.

I was in doubt about using it but now that I have bought it I think about use anyway. Just more attentive for the best light condition for the film. It may be a good experiment though.

pentaxuser · Jul 11, 2015

cliveh said:
It seems your original question was about latitude, but now it is about price. Pan F is a very good film, that like most films requires correct exposure.

This was entirely my doing. I was just curious about why Pan F should be that much cheaper than FP4 where the OP lived compared to the situation in the U.K. I got an answer and it was, I believe, a contained deviation

It is of course unusual for threads on APUG to go off topic

pentaxuser

Regular Rod · Jul 11, 2015

Use the Agfa Synchro Box on a support and use f11 and the long exposure. If you can spot meter your shadow detail and set that at Zone III then develop using semi-stand development in a compensating developer such as Caffenol, 510-PYRO or OBSIDIAN AQUA you will get good negatives. It is a full tone film not an adapted document film so contrast is very controllable. Use all the roll in one day and develop the film as soon as you get in for best results. I like it a lot.

RR

JPD · Jul 11, 2015

Gerald C Koch said:
Unfortunately Kodak no longer makes Verichrome (either ortho or pan versions) which were intended for box cameras. IIRC these films were double coated with both a slow and medium speed emulsion to provide greater latitude.

Adox CHS II 100 has a mix of two emulsions, like Verichrome, coated in one layer, and it's finally available in 120!

Its predecessor, Efke 100, also had a great latitude, but the new Adox should be better and higher quality in every aspect.

NedL · Jul 11, 2015

JPD said:
Adox CHS II 100 has a mix of two emulsions, like Verichrome, coated in one layer, but it's sadly not available in 120 yet.

Its predecessor, Efke 100, also had a great latitude, but the new Adox should be better and higher quality in every aspect.

Just announced yesterday: (there was a url link here which no longer exists).

JPD · Jul 11, 2015

NedL said:
Just announced yesterday: (there was a url link here which no longer exists).

Excellent! Great! Perfect!

I edited my post above.

marciofs · Jul 12, 2015

Regular Rod said:
Use the Agfa Synchro Box on a support and use f11 and the long exposure. If you can spot meter your shadow detail and set that at Zone III then develop using semi-stand development in a compensating developer such as Caffenol, 510-PYRO or OBSIDIAN AQUA you will get good negatives. It is a full tone film not an adapted document film so contrast is very controllable. Use all the roll in one day and develop the film as soon as you get in for best results. I like it a lot.

RR

Wow looks impressive. Thanks for the tip.

marciofs · Jul 12, 2015

JPD said:
Adox CHS II 100 has a mix of two emulsions, like Verichrome, coated in one layer, and it's finally available in 120!

Its predecessor, Efke 100, also had a great latitude, but the new Adox should be better and higher quality in every aspect.

I will check it. Thanks.

Xmas · Jul 12, 2015

Yes FP4 is the premium 100 ISO film eg for latitude, there are others in 120 which may be cheaper.

Simon R Galley · Jul 13, 2015

Dear Marciofs,

PAN F+ is a great film, but in common with all slower films it has less exposure latitude, as has been mentioned by some posters on a 'limited' flexibility camera a 100iso film would give more latitude and is the film I would use.

ILFORD film pricing is extremely logical : ILFORD PAN F + is sold at a higher price than FP4+ and HP5+ in all world markets. The reseller who sold it cheaper either chose his or her own price ( his or her prerogative ) or it may be short dated ?.

Regards

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

piu58 · Jul 13, 2015

I find the PAN F+ to be very flexible with a wide exposure range. I develppe it with Rodinal. It is a great film. Fone grained and tons of grey tones. I love it.

pgomena · Jul 13, 2015

I very much like PanF+ and often use it in my full-featured MF cameras. I have found that 100 or 125 ISO films work better in my box cameras.

PatTrent · Jul 13, 2015

cliveh said:
Pan F is a very good film, that like most films requires correct exposure.

I fully agree.

Is PanF 50 by Ilford a tolerant film negative?

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