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Is anything finer grained than TMX?

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I concur. I have used many films in the past, and (in 35mm) I am also achieving the best results I ever have with TMY2-400 (the "new" TMAX). I only print 35mm to 12x16in, but the prints, to the casual observer, appear completely grainless. It's a wonderful film, with great exposure latitude, and pleasing contrast in diluted D76 (what I always use). For larger formats, it's HP5 for me all the way, nothing produces better prints - for me.

This particular image produce, to my eyes, a very pleasing 12x16in print that I am quite proud of. The scene had extreme dynamic range. The grain is simply not visible on the print. Sure, a print from 35mm will never compete with larger formats, but it's an extremely competent film. If you see "T-Mudd" in here, I guess you have much higher standards than me.


(Kodak TMY2-400, 35mm)

Disclaimer: Ilford Pan F is my absolute favourite film in 35mm, but it's much more difficult to get good results with Pan F than with TMAX, due to the greater sensitivity to processing and imprecise exposure:


(Ilford Pan F+, 35mm)
 

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Ilford Line Film

To answer the question posed originally in this thread, the finest grain I have ever been ..err.. exposed to, or is that... the finest grain that I ever exposed... is Ilford Technical Line Film. I got my hands on three boxes (150 sheets) of the stuff in 4x5in, and I really enjoy using it. I cannot conceive of anything finer-grained. I rate it at ISO 6 when I shoot it, and develop in diluted D76.

The grain is so fine, it is simply not visible through a very good grain focuser when I enlarge. Dynamic range is surprisingly good.


(Ilford Technical Line Film, 4x5in, scanned 12x16in print)

This stuff, on a big print, is something else. It's like having Tech Pan in large format. I have never seen such acutance. Of course, few LF lenses resolve nearly enough to really justify this resolution, it's that extreme.
 
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You answered your own question - ND filters. And if you want orthochromatic film - go ahead and use it. I'm not saying it's wrong to use it. You can do a lot with filters to replicate that type of color rendition in panchromatic emulsions. Infrared - OK you win. It's still not difficult.


So, you like as little grain as possible, while the picture is sharp and crispy. That's exactly what I get from Acros in replenished Xtol.


I use mainly two emulsions, Acros and TMY-2. They do everything I want them to do, and then some. I don't have to look elsewhere to get the results I want. I don't care about the plethora of films out there, because changing to a different emulsion doesn't make the pictures better for me. I have tried lots of films in the past, infrared from Kodak and Konica, Tri-X, FP4+, Ilford Delta 100/400/3200, TMax 100 and 400, Plus-X, Foma 100/200/400, HP5+, Pan-F+, Neopan 1600/400/Acros, ORWO, Efke 25/50/100, Agfa APX 100/400... I have pretty much tried most of them. But when I settled for one major emulsion, put on my blind-folds, and just learned how to treat that one emulsion, all of a sudden the quality of my work started going up, because I fully learned how to exploit that single emulsion to the maximum. I can handle night time shooting, extreme contrast, low contrast - any lighting situation by just changing how I expose and process the film, and yield negatives that print easily at Grade 2-3.5 with results that I am more than happy with. I don't even have to think about exposure and development. It is automatic. I can instead focus on the content, the light, expressions, composition, gesture... the important stuff. Film and developing film is just a means to an end, it's a tool. Put too many tools in the tool box, and you'll be thinking about the tools too much. That's my opinion.
The bottom line is that I don't need a film with specific characteristics to get me what I want and need. I get there with technique and a dollop of critical thinking about what's truly necessary.
The addition of one more emulsion to my line-up is so that I have a recourse if the other were to be discontinued; I'm covering my own rear end.
 

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For some reason I get the feeling that Rolleijoe would be a great salesman for Rollei products.

+1.
Lots of statements and name dropping, no facts or details.
 

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Sounds akin to Rollei ATP (which is akin to Tech Pan). I didn't know Ilford still made anything like that.