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Sirius Glass

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The Hasselblad 30mm Fisheye lens cost $8,000 when it came out and that was more than most professional photographer made [year??], I paid $850US a few years ago for the C lens. I also paid $485US for the 500mm C lens from KEH on sale with a special discount since I bought so much from KEH I was a repeat abuser buyer.
 

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And of course, people with even minimal computer skills were astounded at how powerful those skills were for all sorts of imagemaking, and how inexpensive digital tech was for film-making, print making, and music.

Voila, Photrio, where even the most fearful photographers gather daily to look at images on glowing screens.

And they're getting older by the minute, as is their hardware...and their darkroom space becomes more valuable as real estate as they totter off to wherever us geezers eventually go.. think what the darkroom space redevelopment will do to the price of homes ..
 

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Or they associated computers with their job and wanted to switch off for their hobby.
Exactly this. My interest in photography is absolutely film based. I have no doubt as to how well (perhaps even better!) digital images can be produced compared to my analog workflow. But I work with computers all day, every day and the last thing I want is to sit in front of one when I want to enjoy my hobby!
 

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This is a key concept for some of the millennials I know who have helped fuel the film renaissance.
Andy
 

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Enlargers, and to a lesser extent other bulky darkroom items (easels, trays, etc), were always a feast or famine item in terms of availability, but especially enlargers because they take up a lot of space and are impractical to ship. In the 1990s you could pay a lot for individual items, or you could get lucky and find someone in the local classifieds who needed to clean out their basement and hadn't printed in a decade, and might sell the whole kit for $100-200.

Both pros and an earlier generation of hobbyists probably cleaned out a lot of stuff by the early 2000s, there was a glut, and now a bit of the demand has returned, but the supply is irregular (and it's still expensive to ship an enlarger). I doubt it's driven by retiring boomers, but it's not worth an argument.
 

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I read that peak enlarger (new) sales was 1980. I think for an earlier generation having hobbies involving craft work with hands was really important and perhaps a hangover from a make-do, self-sufficient mentality during WWII. The whole rediscovery of craft work, espeically as it involves young people is really interesting. From a neoliberal economic perspective; why would you grow a carrot when you could use that time more efficiently to work more and buy carrots grown by a professional? It's interesting to me to see how two worlds of justification are clashing here.
 
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Yes this unfortunately applies to all of photography supplies new and used , for example Kodak film prices ,processing chemicals and cameras , this probably due to the sudden popularity of analog photography in recent years


And I remember moaning about rising prices just 9 or 10 years ago!!
 

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And I remember moaning about rising prices just 9 or 10 years ago!!
I remember getting my Kaiser color enlarger with the base NEW from the dealer back in 2002 for almost 600$ and now it cost new almost 1500$
The thing that I noticed is the price of the semi/full automatic processors ,which was and still expensive ,unless you were lucky and got one for cheap .
 
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Those are big words but oddly I understand it. Sally Fields played Doris in the movie “Doris” and there’s a scene where all the millennials are talking about what they make. Lotions, soaps, cookies etc... it’s an “Etsy” culture.
 
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That is the one thing I’ve never found a deal on. I would LOVE to come across a Jobo system but haven’t yet.
 

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I have had my share of good or great deals since I started amassing the stuff in 2008. I also think the long term effects of Covid-19 will affect the price of non-essential items quite a bit so I sold off a bit of film and surplus camera gear to pay down debt and stock up on enlarging paper.

For the first time ever in my career, commercial work is down by alarming amounts for the rest of the year so its really to time for that darkroom to start paying for it self. I have the darkroom, gobs of supplies and the time so it is now or never to make the career shift.
 

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Any economic activity that relies on advertising is going to be in a hurting position for awhile. I think you're right about making the shift now.
 

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Very good points. My dad (WWII vet) loved making stuff and tinkering. Honestly, he wasn't very good at it, but he seemed to enjoy his projects. That continued on to a degree in my generation (boomers) but it's been quite lost on the generations after, IMO. I don't know what is "neoliberal economics" about Millennials wanting to grow the carrot instead of buying one from a professional carrot producer. I see it as a shift in consumer tastes, as a culture we went too far into "do it for me," and now we are seeing a reaction. A welcome one in my opinion. My wife and I always had a tiny urban farm going on while the kids were growing up for our own enjoyment. It is gratifying to see our adult kids now starting to enjoy the satisfaction of "making" with their own gardens (though none of them have shown much interest in analog photography to my slight disappointment).
 

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Any economic activity that relies on advertising is going to be in a hurting position for awhile. I think you're right about making the shift now.

It’s actually a shift I was wanting to make a couple years ago but I still greatly enjoy the work I do on the commercial side. The work I do for my biggest client is not ad but journalism for a political think tank. All the meetings have been canceled for the year but they are already having me put them on the calendar for next year.

Colorado also just opened up unemployment benefits for gig / freelance workers so I ought to be able to run a tight ship for the next 12-18 months. It’s both daunting and liberating at the same time, this window of opportunity I have to really make a go of it in darkroom based product.

With this time and the amazing darkroom I have, I’m glad I spent those years stocking up...it’s like it was all leading to this remarkable time we are now in.
 

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Sorry for the jargon - by neoliberal economics I mean the dominant idea in our societies that something is only worth doing if it makes money.
 
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Have y'all checked all the classified sections around the interwebs today? IN-UN-DATE-ED with gear... Lotta little red dot stuff too.