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The light meters in digital cameras are designed for that cameras individual sensor not film , so I.S.O 100 on a digital camera isn't the same as 100 I.S.O on a hand held separate light meter and film which is why the readings don't agree, if you want to use a reflected/incidental hand held meter use film.
The light meters in digital cameras are designed for that cameras individual sensor not film , so I.S.O 100 on a digital camera isn't the same as 100 I.S.O on a hand held separate light meter and film which is why the readings don't agree, if you want to use a reflected/incidental hand held meter use film.
OMG, this is a lot of misleading information. If it were true, why would my Minolta Spotmeter F give me identical readings as my Canon dSLR, when both are aimed at the same 18% grey card and set to the same ISO value?!?!?!
In fact, using my Minolta Autometer Vf in incident mode, its reading agrees with the two reflected light meters mentioned above, too.
What is different about metering for negatives and metering for digital is that digital ISO is determined by a resulting JPEG that comes from the standard ISO process for digital, essentially the "final result", much as for slide film.
The resultant JPEG is a result or the sensor and the manufacturers software, hence different for every camera. A DSLR can get you a reasonable exposure setting at a given ISO but it is far from being able to mimic a negative.
ISO for negative film is keyed to the negative's density at certain points. Negatives are an intermediate medium, while there is an ISO speed point film can, for example with XP2 a 400 speed film, be shot at 50,100,200,400, or 800 and create nearly equivalent prints, the "final result".
Your samples in flickr has survied from metering through digital camera because SBR is rather very short or short. In almost all examples, except the pot have diffused light.
The flower pots shot was not shot in diffused light. It was at night. Film speed was 400, f3.5, 1/50s shutter speed. There was a home depot utility light powering a 23w CFL. The lamp distance to the pots are about 1 foot above.
What if you shoot RAW????
I base my information on tests done by the technical staff of Professional Photographer Magazine with a Minolta Autometer VF done in an article in the last few years, this is also why you can programme the sensitivity of Sekonic L-758 Meters to the actual individual sensor of up to four different digital cameras, because they are all have different responses to light. Watch this , and you will understand.OMG, this is a lot of misleading information. If it were true, why would my Minolta Spotmeter F give me identical readings as my Canon dSLR, when both are aimed at the same 18% grey card and set to the same ISO value?!?!?!
In fact, using my Minolta Autometer Vf in incident mode, its reading agrees with the two reflected light meters mentioned above, too.
And exposures are fully satisfactory if I am shooting with my medium format film color transparencies or my dSLR...I do not need to compensate one vs. the other, to deviate from the meter suggestion, which would be necessary if the digital ISO value were not the same as film ISO.
This ISO standard is the ISO standard, ask the ISO if you really want to know.
That's exactly what I'm saying, because you are obviously new to photography before you start laughing, at facts your'e "pretty sure" about, watch this video and it will explain that individual DSLR sensors give different responses to light. and how some light meters can be calibrated to each cameras individual sensor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdyosItw3MkHahahaha....that's almost like saying each DSLR unit has its own metering standard and photographers can't cross reference with one body with another.I am pretty sure if you meter with an EOS 3 with a Canon 1dmarkIII on the same scene, you get the exact same reading.
That's exactly what I'm saying, because you are obviously new to photography before you start laughing, at facts your'e "pretty sure" about, watch this video and it will explain that individual DSLR sensors give different responses to light. and how some light meters can be calibrated to each cameras individual sensor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdyosItw3Mk
Originally Posted by Alan Klein(there was a url link here which no longer exists)I think you're the only person who picked up he's shooting digital on a film forum.
I shoot both...And doing paid gigs with digital of course.
I was just trying to get a laugh. My own experience using Minolta IIIa with both features, is to use
10% spot reflective when the shot is in the distance and once in a while to use incident if I'm in the same light as the subject and fairly close. The meter allow me to average three readings. I also braket 1 stop. Of course, I only use this method when shooting film. I wouldn't want anyone in the forum from getting upset.
I base my information on tests done by the technical staff of Professional Photographer Magazine with a Minolta Autometer VF done in an article in the last few years, this is also why you can programme the sensitivity of Sekonic L-758 Meters to the actual individual sensor of up to four different digital cameras, because they are all have different responses to light. Watch this , and you will understand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdyosItw3Mk
Consider also this fact...I happen to have three brands of film cameras, and I get different readings from the meters of each of them pointed at the same 18% grey card.[...]
To members of this forum we are still "in the film age". I don't know how many stops because each sensor has it's own response as I explained, and since your question is basically about digital cameras I think Your querys would be better addressed to our sister site DPUG http://www.dpug.org/forums/f38/So, how many stops of light we are talking about here? If the difference has no meaning in a real world situation, I would rather focus on shooting. You can say I am new since I didn't start shooting during the film age.
I basically agree with you from my experience, but since different makes of cameras exposure systems have different parameters in their design it's quite possible to to have some small deviation in their responses when pointed at a Grey Card, I have noticed this myself in my cameras, but I don't find this in practice significant because in isolation each camera gives me correct exposure, and comparing light meter and thermometer readings I find is a very quick way to drive yourself crazyConsider also this fact...I happen to have three brands of film cameras, and I get different readings from the meters of each of them pointed at the same 18% grey card. So which would you believe when loaded with a so-called ISO 100 film?! The same issue happens with dSLRs, too. Thge same happens with light meters, too.
We know that the ISO standard equations for incident meters and for reflected meters both have VARIABLE value 'constants', where the manufacturer of the camera/meter gets to choose the value that they use!
And why does that happen?
Since each meter manufacturer gets to CHOOSE the actual value of the constant, the fact that meters do not agree with each other is inherent to the ISO calibration standard equation in the Wikipedia article! And the wording of the above paragraph in the ISO standard will allow you to see that exposure meters offer a GUIDE TO EXPOSURE."Determination of calibration constants has been largely subjective; ISO 2720:1974 states that
"The constants K (in reflected meter calibration equation) and C (in incident meter calibration equation) shall be chosen by statistical analysis of the results of a large number of tests carried out to determine the acceptability to a large number of observers, of a number of photographs, for which the exposure was known, obtained under various conditions of subject manner and over a range of luminances."
I basically agree with you from my experience, but since different makes of cameras exposure systems have different parameters in their design it's quite possible to to have some small deviation in their responses when pointed at a Grey Card, I have noticed this myself in my cameras, but I don't find this in practice significant because in isolation each camera gives me correct exposure, and comparing light meter and thermometer readings I find is a very quick way to drive yourself crazy
IGNORE what a digital camera tells you; the metering technology does not permit accurate parallels with e.g. analogue (film) use. Worse still is people relying on the histogram as an indicator of brightness range. Chuck it out, all of it, and learn metering basics first.
And many of us know, from the routine use of EI 40 to expose Velvia which was rated ISO 50, that even the ISO ratings of film are rather arbitrary!
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